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Offline maddoggy

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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2008, 12:34:10 PM »
hey jeeks take it easy!! brian is just trying to come to some conclusion as to why you did this mod and if it would be of any benefit. BDI is a thinker and a doer if the idea makes sense. i've seen the things he's capable of doing to a bike. he's smart and just doesn't want someone to go backwards with their setup. i gotta be honest, i really didn't care about your mod, but brian did and you should be grateful that someone cares about what your doing. bdi wasn't attacking your mod he just wants to see if it did good or bad and some tech info and measurements to back it up. attacks aren't cool and i'm sure that danger a.k.a "david" won't appreciate it either.   MADDOGGY

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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2008, 01:21:28 PM »
hey jeeks take it easy!! brian is just trying to come to some conclusion as to why you did this mod and if it would be of any benefit. BDI is a thinker and a doer if the idea makes sense. i've seen the things he's capable of doing to a bike. he's smart and just doesn't want someone to go backwards with their setup. i gotta be honest, i really didn't care about your mod, but brian did and you should be grateful that someone cares about what your doing. bdi wasn't attacking your mod he just wants to see if it did good or bad and some tech info and measurements to back it up. attacks aren't cool and i'm sure that danger a.k.a "david" won't appreciate it either.   MADDOGGY

OMG, an intelectual post finally.

Look, who knows how the mod will work. I'm a thinker and a doeer as well.  Hence the friggin post!  I'll be the first to know this weekend.  It was an idea....thats all.  I can easily install the original shock in it's place in minutes.  I just don't know why he's got to get all up in my s**t like that.  This site needs some friggin CONTENT in the other forums, besides the 500 forum.  You can't deny that.

If he wanted to be helpful, he would have suggested helpful ideas, instead of bashing the idea from the get-go.  I posted the same thing on TT and all I got was helpful ideas....even PM's from a suspension specialist.

Pffft.  It's the last time I contribute to this place.  :|
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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2008, 02:55:00 PM »
I was trying to be helpfull but you are unhelpable. When I brought up the difference in the shocks you blew me off and treated me like I'm stupid. I will not come right out and tell you that your idea is a bad idea. First I will hint around about it and let you figure it out on your own. If you want a helpfull idea how about this, rebuild your kx shock, spring it correctly for your weight and riding style.  Then set your sag, learn something about tuning suspension and go out with a clipboard, pen and a screwdriver. Find some place to test the bikes supension make adjustments one at a time and one click at a time and note the effects the changes make. If you do this correctly you will make that kyb work light years better then any showa you take off a random bike and hack up to fit your kawi.  :wink:
« Last Edit: August 07, 2008, 03:11:09 PM by BDI »
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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #18 on: August 08, 2008, 08:54:29 AM »
I noticed that all of the pictures of jeeks mod had disappeared. I did not want this to be a dead post with no clue as to what it was about so I took it upon myself to put all the pictures and the explination to them back.
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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #19 on: August 08, 2008, 12:44:02 PM »
i'll have to say that a great shock guy can do wonders with your stock body shocks and forks.

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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #20 on: August 09, 2008, 03:59:00 AM »
I dont really have a problem with any point of view in this thread bdi has a point because I know for a fact that the littlest things on these bikes are what make them completely different but on the other had mathematically a bumblebee should not be able to fly but as most of you guys know it flies very well and even packs a hardcore bite so just remember that just cause on paper it wont work you wont know for certain until you try it.

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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #21 on: August 09, 2008, 08:40:01 AM »
You know guys, I was really trying not to post on this again because I would really like to hear other peoples thoughts.I have to say something though its really deeper then all that if someone was to call me out on a mod that I posted I would back it up with pictures of undeniable measurments of the shocks the amount of travel and anything else prudent to the conversation I would prove to you that my mod was a good mod if it was. My knee jerk reaction would not be to start crying and getting angry but then again my post would have included all that to begin with. As far as trying things goes I have been doing things outside the box since I was big enough to pull the wheels off my match box car and stick different ones on it. When I used to build model cars I would buy three kits just to build one car. Nothing I own is stock, nothing!!!. I love a good battle of wits thats probably what makes me such an A-hole But when you are trying to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man he is probably going to get upset and run and hide.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2008, 08:43:48 AM by BDI »
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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2008, 06:14:12 PM »
You guys have to have an opinion 8-)


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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #23 on: August 11, 2008, 12:08:49 AM »
You know guys, I was really trying not to post on this again because I would really like to hear other peoples thoughts.I have to say something though its really deeper then all that if someone was to call me out on a mod that I posted I would back it up with pictures of undeniable measurments of the shocks the amount of travel and anything else prudent to the conversation I would prove to you that my mod was a good mod if it was. My knee jerk reaction would not be to start crying and getting angry but then again my post would have included all that to begin with. As far as trying things goes I have been doing things outside the box since I was big enough to pull the wheels off my match box car and stick different ones on it. When I used to build model cars I would buy three kits just to build one car. Nothing I own is stock, nothing!!!. I love a good battle of wits thats probably what makes me such an A-hole But when you are trying to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man he is probably going to get upset and run and hide.

I personally did not see anything wrong with your posts. Some people just like to bitch and moan about life and their problems and also enjoy dragging them around with them. This place is not TT, nor will it be. If Jeeks does not want to come back, I am not going to lose sleep.

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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2008, 05:07:37 AM »
I like to tinker like jeeks is doing. Sometime it makes sense and sometimes it doesn't, but is just something you wanted to try.  Many times I have been 3/4 through a project only to notice a shortcoming that for some reason I didn't notice right aways. That is why it is good to have people like BDI ask the "why", " what if" and the "did you noitice" stuff.  Sure I feel stupid (thats the Doh part), but thats all part of learning.  Feedback should be "thanks for pointing that out" not the FU stuff. Cam.

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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #25 on: November 18, 2008, 04:58:16 AM »
Our boy is back at it again.

This time hes trying to give the guys over at thumpertalk.com some of his wisdom.

http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=709495


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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2008, 05:04:01 AM »
hah i just got sucked into his ramblings...

apparently the 98 KX250 is a superbike of some sorts, engine made of pure unobtanium. I'm not doubting the 98 was a decent motor but still...
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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2008, 10:14:23 AM »
Its fine to try and be innovative, but when you are blazing new trails that is when you need to listen to and accept knowledge, criticism, and experience even more than usual. I could go on and on as to why BDI's opinion/posts make immediate sense and should have at least been taken into account and considered. As soon as BDI pointed out some basic differences it was immediately obvious that there was no way to put this shock in the factory shocks place without changing the geometry of the suspension resulting in loss of travel. Plain and simple. At the least you would need to change the linkage to get the shorter travel shock to equate to the total travel available at the end of the swingarm. It all made perfect sense to me. If, and I mean a big IF that shock is supreme over the factory KYB shock (what is supposed to be so technologically advanced???) there would still need to be changes made in other areas otherwise you would be trading suspension travel, for what? Slightly better dampening? Rebound? BDI was just trying to get the guy to think about what he was doing and trying to achieve and whether it was worth it or not or at least make sure he wasn't overlooking something. Some people are just too d**n sensitive and should thus keep their idea/projects to themselves since they cant accept the criticism that very well could have helped push them to the next level. This site is full of PROVEN advancements for our bikes. If you are gonna share an idea or innovation PROVE IT or at least let the brains around here help you/me/us get the best possible outcome from it. As a KXRider I wont accept anything less and like was stated before, we dont want people grabbing a bad idea off this site and running with it. How would that make this site look as a whole? If you have a new idea PLEASE SHARE.... just be open to the brainstorming that will come and be necessary for the best possible results/outcome.


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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2008, 10:23:36 AM »
one time a smart and very wealthy man told me....there are two  kinds off ideas good ideas and bad ideas  sometimes you dont know until  later the diffrence

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Re: 2000 KX250 with full Showa suspension
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2008, 01:40:15 PM »
i didn't fail 50 times before i found the right way ,i just found 50 new ways not to do it. :lol:
race gas is fast but Q16 hauls azz.i still ride because i am not ready to have been that fast. i ride a kx500 because they don't make a kx600!ck k5abuser on youtube