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Offline BLACKBEARD

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New bottom end feels stiff
« on: March 30, 2016, 05:51:11 AM »
I just put new bearings and new seals in.

After I put the seals in and tightened the cases, the crank didn't move as freely as I thought it should.
Could this be because I didn't grease the seals??
As always anything helps, and thanks in advance.

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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2016, 06:50:00 AM »
Is it a 250 or 125?  What year is it?  What did you use as far as replacement parts?
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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2016, 07:39:38 AM »
there should be next to no resistance when you try to spin the crank....if you feel resistance, or hear anything scraping or dragging, chances are, you'll have to open it back up and find out where things went wrong.
with new bearings, that thing should turn smoothly, and easily with the cylinder off.
you can try to post a vid, but without actually being there and feeling it for ourselves, it's kinda hard to give an accurate answer.
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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2016, 07:42:38 AM »
It's an 03 with new rod bearings crank bearings and new seals.

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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2016, 07:52:07 AM »
It's a 125.
I don't hear or feel anything throughout the whole rotation, just really really stiff. I don't know how to post a video, I'll try to figure that out later.
For now I will be tearing it back apart tonight to figure this out.

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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2016, 09:14:23 AM »
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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2016, 12:11:02 PM »
Is the crank centered in the cases?  If you are off one side or the other there will be resistance and will not turn easlily.
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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2016, 12:51:58 PM »
Ok this might help...
When I tighten the case screws, the crank has more resistance.
When screws are loosened the crank turns freely.

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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2016, 03:44:41 PM »
I'd check the crank to case clearance on both sides.
If it is centered I would split the cases and take a good look at how well my bearings are pressed in.
If they are not completely pressed in then you could be rubbing and not see it.
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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2016, 03:53:04 PM »
Ok... so the RH crank seal was pressed all the way against the bearing.
When I pulled the crank back out, I tried turning the bearing with my finger and it was seized. As soon as I pulled the seal off it was free.

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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2016, 01:44:02 AM »
Easy fix  :lol:
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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2016, 07:09:56 AM »
I've never had a seal do that to me....yet!(knock on wood).
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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2016, 02:56:10 PM »
Put it back together without the seals...
Same thing, tighten the screws and it gets stiff.

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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2016, 04:03:30 PM »
I always use a soft hammer and hit both ends of the crank back and forth when the cases are still hot it centers the crank and almost always frees it up. if you dont use a wedge or the proper tool to keep the crank true I have seen the cranks get in a bind and whacking the ends will usually straighten that out use a soft hammer though

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Re: New bottom end feels stiff
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2016, 06:00:32 PM »
I use to do it the same way.
Now I measure before I assemble so I know the total clearance between the crank and the cases.
Then I divide it in half and get out a feeler gauge and put the feeler gauge on the bottom case so when I drop in the crank it is automatically centered.   8-)
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