KX Riders
General => In General... => Topic started by: razornpc on February 11, 2009, 05:02:31 AM
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**URGENT**
As of Tuesday, February 10th, 2009, the small powersports industry has all but been shut down. This affects not only dealers and new units but individuals all across the U.S. New and used units as well as parts avilability for every used unit in the nation has been called under question. This issue is far reaching not only financially but also concerning safety. With the suspension of proper sized ATV's and motorcycles suspended, young riders will be tempted to use improperly sized and built machines which could (but Lord willing won't) lead to severe injuries.
There is a waiver now setting before the Consumer Product Safety Commission in Washington DC, but has not been acted upon as of yet. We need every available rider, Mother, Father, Grandmother, Grandfather, Aunt, Uncle and any relative, friend neighbor, business or personal contact or any person who is a legal us citizen to get involved. They need to access this website, read the sample letter, type in their name and addresss then click the "send a letter on my behalf" icon below it. This will generate correspondence to all the committee members in Washington that are on the committee that oversee the commission that could act upon this. The commission members as well as my office will also receive copies of the letters set so we can be the most effective voice we that we can. The sport as well as the industry is in turmoil and time is short. The future of small powersports is at risk! PLEASE ACT NOW!!
SEND A LETTER TO THE U.S. CONGRESS
Please go to http://www.tomself.com
to sign letter to congress - we have to stop this!!
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This is the issue with lead paint, while it made sense for toys that toddlers could/did put in there mouths it doesn't make sense to ban ATV's and motorcycles. I was at my dealers yesterday, he pulled his kdx 50, kx 60's and klx 110's off the showroom floor, which he was required to do by law.
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Is this a regional deal? I went to my local dealer today and all the small bikes and atv's are still on the floor. I sent the letter anyways just in case it can help.
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The issue is about principal, Its not about weather or not your kids are going to put their dirt bike in their mouth. It's about the A-holes sending us crap painted with paint we outlawed years ago for good reason. I have no problem being misserable if it's going to make some one else more misserable. If we have to suffer to teach these guys a leason about sending us tainted goods so be it. I promise you My kids will have bikes to ride, no matter what.
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I wonder if the china made (knock off's) bikes/atv have caused this? I can't see the major manufactures using the lead paint. Either way it is dumb and I hope it gets turned around real quick.
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I bought a brand new kick stand for my doughters honda 50 from honda. It came in a honda factory package it had a honda factory part number. When I pulled it out of the package it had a little gold sticker on the bottom that said made in china. when I installed it, it was to long and the bike wanted to fall over to the right side. I would like to use it to give who ever is in charge over there lead poisoning of the butt.
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I bought a brand new kick stand for my doughters honda 50 from honda. It came in a honda factory package it had a honda factory part number. When I pulled it out of the package it had a little gold sticker on the bottom that said made in china. when I installed it, it was to long and the bike wanted to fall over to the right side. I would like to use it to give who ever is in charge over there lead poisoning of the butt.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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well, i saw a story last night on the local news about this ban on motorsports geared toward children. i wanted to check it out so i went to our honda dealer and indeed they have nothing on the showroom floor over a 100cc. no more kids bikes or atvs anymore. they cannot sell parts for these anymore either according to the news story. it's real sad that poloticians have to go overboard with every issue they come up with. my son is saving up money to buy his own dirtbike, i wonder now if he will ever be able to get a brand new one. the worst part of this is that kids will now be on bikes and atv's that are way too big for them and when they wreck it will be a really bad wreck vs. just a dust yourself off and get back on wreck from the little bikes/atvs. i hope that quality built machines will be exempt from this ban eventually. needless to say, my son is WAAAAAY dissappointed. MADDOGGY
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You know what would be cool if an American based manufacturer steped up to the plate and made some quality kids bikes.
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i hate it when others make desisions about others way of life when they have no interest in it . their thinking is i don't do it and no one else needs too .
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i hate it when others make desisions about others way of life when they have no interest in it . their thinking is i don't do it and no one else needs too .
The ban has to do with toxic paint that the bikes are painted with. This violates laws that we have in place for good reason. The bottom line is about not giveing bussiness to a country that is trying to harm us and are children. This is an out right attack on us and should not be tollerated. I guess some people just don't care as long as they benefit some how. Thats why we still see people buy gas from 7-11 even though the money all goes to a dictator that wants to do harm to the united states. He uses the money that americans spend on his gas to fight his war on us, but hey the gas is a couple cents cheaper then any where else some dumb asses keep buying it. Why should I care if china is sending us tainted goods painted with toxic paint as long as my kid has something to ride. RIGHT :-(
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There is the assumption that this has to do with China, WRONG. Your American made autos have lead in them as well as many consumer items that you use daily, but since your over 12 years of age, no problem. This whole legislation has far reaching implications to not only foreign imports but domestic production as well. Agreed that children shouldn't be exposed to lead, but at 12 years old they shouldn't be putiing things in their mouths that don't belong there anyway, so why the ban on motorcycles and ATVs, our hondas and Kawis that we ride maybe next.
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This ban has little or nothing to do with paint, Or the Chinese knock offs.
The Consumer Product safety commission has decided in all their grand wisdom that many components on a dirt bike or quad, may contain more than 600 parts per million as a percentage of lead content, like for instance batteries, or clutch packs, or? , Now granted this may be true, but they fail to realize that 99% of the repairs and maintenance fone on these vehicles is performed by adults. They also fail to take into consideration that most riders wear, gloves, goggles, healmets, boots and heavy pants or riding gear, to prevent injury, and as a bonus, protects the rider from incidental contact with lead. How many lead poisionings by dirt bike or quad have you ever heard of???
It is absolutely important that every rider,(yes, I already did) Writes his congressman, or representative and explain to them the safety factors, the economic issues and the total disregard for user input that was addresses when this decision was made. I know the manufacturers are sweating bullits and working hard to do something, but, It will take some loud voices from voters to be heard this time.
Step up and make the call or dsend an e mail to your congressman or rep! you can get their e mail addresses on the web!
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That's wierd, everything I have read and been told by my local dealer says it has everything to do with lead paint. I also know for a fact that china is one of, if not the major offender. I'm not for the ban of motorcycles, I am in favor of smacking someone in the mouth if they are acting ignorant. I'm pretty sure this whole thing is being done in order to get these manufacturers acting right. I repaint and modify bikes all the time, why should I have to deal with lead paint? What about the poor guy at the meadia blaster who has to blast lead paint off of your motorcycle frame. Let me guess the lead paint isn't bad for me because I'm over twelve.
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Brian,
I respect your point of view, it just isn't the same as mine, and thats ok. look at the big yellow iron you operate, do you think there's no lead in its paint? beyond that look at bb/pellet guns, a staple to most young boys growing up, can't have them any more because of the lead pellets, and how about fishing, yup can't let the kids use lead sinkers, and lets not forget most electronics, there is some solder in there, whether or not it's lead based is another question. No there's plenty of blame to go around, and what the law was designed to do was right, unfortunately the lawmakers got carried away.
by the way I'm not disagreeing that there are serious issues coming out of China, lead paint being one, how about the additive to baby formula, an who know what else. We can also talk about the peanut processors in the US, from what I've read its criminal.
just my thoughts
Don
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I'm just not ready to run around in circles waving my hands in the air and screaming the building is on fire. I think this is nothing more then a fire drill, I will be calmly walking out of the building and holding my composure. I think are government is trying to hold their feet to the fire. The people that produce the bikes want us to buy them as bad if not worse then we want to buy them. They are going to do what ever they have to do to get right in order to be able to sell us their goods. I think the end result will be better and safer goods across the board for the american people, not just motorcycles. I would rather see the ban lifted because the manufacturers complied with are laws, rather then because the american people pissed moaned and cried untill they got their way like some spoiled little brats.
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So does every bike below 100cc come from china and come covered in lead paint? I still dont get what this bs is REALLY all about therefore its hard to form a solid opinion.
Where do I find out the whole truth? It has to be posted somewhere.
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So I thought this was all about the paint, it appears that it is much more in depth than just paint, motors, clutches, batteries. this legislation isn't about china, it's about EVERY country that we import product from as well as product we produce in the US. I've done some research on the lead issue, the reality is you have more likelyhood of getting lead poisioning from the plumbing in your house than from a motorcycle or ATV. Even brass components in plumbing have lead content.
attached is a excerpt from the AMA, they DO NOT support this legislation:
Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act threatens sale of youth model OHVs
Posted February 12, 2009 Email Print
The sport of off-highway recreation is seriously threatened by recent legislation that imposes strict lead content guidelines on children's everyday toys. The Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of 2008 (CPSIA) has effectively banned the sale of youth off-highway vehicles (OHVs). The AMA is calling for action now to help reverse the potentially devastating effect this could have on the sport of OHV recreation.
"The unavailability of youth OHVs will devastate family OHV recreation and cripple amateur competition, creating a domino effect across all aspects of motorized recreation," said AMA Vice President for Government Relations Ed Moreland. "All motorcyclists, whether they recreate off-road or not, need to come to the defense of our youngest riders and help ensure the future availability of youth OHVs."
A quick and effective way to help is to write or call your representative and the Consumer Product Safety Commission (CPSC) and let them know petitions exist to exclude certain vehicles from the final rule governing the law. You can send your representative a letter by using the Take Action button in the Issues and Legislation section of this website. To contact the CPSC directly, use the contact form here.
According to section 101(a) of the enacted legislation, all youth products containing lead must have less than 600 parts per million (ppm) by weight. The CPSC has interpreted the law to apply to various components of youth OHVs including the engine, brakes, suspension, battery and other mechanical parts. Even though the lead levels in these parts are small, they are still above the minimum threshold.
In order to assure continued availability and access to youth OHVs, the Motorcycle Industry Council (MIC) and Specialty Vehicle Industry Association (SVIA) submitted petitions to the CPSC asking that certain vehicles be excluded from the final rule governing the law.
"It is critical that Congress and the CPSC know that these petitions exist and that by acting on them they will maintain a vital form of recreation for American families, preserve youth racing and protect the thousands of jobs associated with this industry," Moreland added. "We are asking all motorcyclists to write or call their representatives and the CPSC today and ask them to approve the petition to exclude youth OHVs from the CPSIA lead content requirements."
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this whole thing is kind of crazy,is this nation wide? i live in CA & have not heard any thing about this. but then i shop only at my faviorite local aftermarket dealer, so i could be in the dark.
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This is the whole US, so while you haven't noticed it yet, you will.
I've been told, admittedly haven't personally verified it, that dealers can no longer order parts for 50 and 60's and that there are discussions underway to possibly not race 50 and 60's at the major events, such as Loretta Lynn's.
Anybody that thinks this is a good thing and isn't going to affect them is sadly mistaken as I said before it has far reaching implications. There needed to be some checks and balances but this has gotten out of hand.
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So I guess there is no way for the manufacturers to make compliance :? Even If the manufacturers comply with the new standerds they will not be able to sell their youth bikes. :?
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the company's should be compling with US standers. the auto makers do,got to have seat belts,safety glass and so on. so the swich of lead paint should not be that big of a deal
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I would like to know where the documented cases that prove someone was harmed from the lead content of a 50cc and 60cc dirtbike are. I've never heard of it. Is there really lead paint on every child size dirtbike and atv regardless of manufacture and country of origin? If we are gonna run around and make everything that is dangerous illegal then there is a whole lot more to worry about than lead content.
Oh and BDI... "Smoke every cigarette like It's your last"
What about this if you are so afraid of lead content?
"There are even metals in cigarettes. For example:
Lead: Everyone knows that lead has been removed from paint because it is very dangerous to children, who not only tend to absorb more than adults, but are more sensitive to its effects. Adults with high lead levels in their blood may have high blood pressure, nerve disorders, muscle pain and even fertility problems."
Taken from: http://www.helium.com/items/271259-the-contents-of-a-cigarette (http://www.helium.com/items/271259-the-contents-of-a-cigarette)
You want your leaded cigarette, I want my lead dirtbike along with my lead car batteries, lead bullets, and lead fishing weights. I'll do my best as a responsible parent to keep my son from ingesting his dirtbike. And the guy blasting the paint off your dirtbike frame should be wearing some sort of breathing apparatus and if he isnt... he's doing it to himself. And if you arent wearing a dustmask when you are sanding the paint off your dirtbike frame, well, take a break and go smoke another cigarette and think about what you're doing to yourself. There are more toxins in paint than just lead. Not trying to be offensive, just trying to make an obvious point to someone who seems so adamant about protecting others from something that really isnt that harmful compared to what people subject themselves to on a daily basis. Lets just make a law that makes it illegal for anyone to do anything, eat anything, drink anything, breath anything, or smoke anything that may have a risk of harming them or others. We will all be sitting in protective bubbles eating organic vegetables and drinking purified water. I appreciate their concern but there are better ways to handle this than a SUDDEN STOP of all sales of kids bikes and parts that are already manufactured and on the shelves/showroom floors. Thats just a senseless vulgar display of power. And once again... where are those documented cases of kids harmed by the lead content in their dirtbikes that warranted such evasive action be taken? Sounds to me like someone is already running around with their hands in the air screaming that the building is on fire and we must SAVE EVERYBODY NOW AGAINST THEIR OWN WILL!!!
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the company's should be compling with US standers. the auto makers do,got to have seat belts,safety glass and so on. so the swich of lead paint should not be that big of a deal
Are you kidding me? have you not read the whole thread? The auto makers can't comply with this standard, nor can harley davidson, Sony, hewlett packard interstate batteries and most other manf. What it boils down to is that there were/are issues with products intended for toddlers, they tend to put things in their mouths, products containing lead are a real and true problem, however the legislators have taken it a step to far. what if they said no products with lead over 600 ppm, most of us would be out of jobs, no plumbing, tv's, you should get the picture.
We all need to be responsible, there is lead all around us in our everyday lives, be aware and treat it accordingly
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this was posted on a different site. maybe big brother got a hold of it.
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I believe the CPSC is as out of control as Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, FDA, Medicare, Medicaid, ect...ect,,,, wasting taxpayer money overreaching authority trying to justify their very existence,,, not doing the job they are there to do.
If they want to help kids,,, Rid our country of meth, crack, hardcore drugs, and irresponsible parents. I am pointing at a real problem for innocent kids. Our Federal Government only contributes to the real threats to kids. The new purpose of government : MICRO-MANAGE THE LAW KEEPERS,,, BECAUSE WE CAN'T STOP THE CRIMINALS.
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"Smoke every cigarette like It's your last and ride like you stole something!!" is a metafore. It means to enjoy everything you do to the fullest for tomorrow you may be dead and to ride as if something is chasing you even though it's not. I sure wish people would get so upset about all the places I ride getting shut down. You can be pissed at me but if you had read earlier I said strait up that I am willing to suffer if it makes someone I don't like suffer also. I do not like the people that pump this low budget crap into our Country. It does not have to do with just motorcycles, it has to do with all sorts of toxic crap from all over the world being shoved down the American consumers throat. If little Jimmy has to ride a used bike for a while so be it. If you cant figure out a way for your kid to ride untill this crap gets fixed that's sad.
P.S. I don't smoke and no one is chasing me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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"Smoke every cigarette like It's your last and ride like you stole something!!" is a metafore. It means to enjoy everything you do to the fullest for tomorrow you may be dead and to ride as if something is chasing you even though it's not. I sure wish people would get so upset about all the places I ride getting shut down. You can be pissed at me but if you had read earlier I said strait up that I am willing to suffer if it makes someone I don't like suffer also. I do not like the people that pump this low budget crap into our Country. It does not have to do with just motorcycles, it has to do with all sorts of toxic crap from all over the world being shoved down the American consumers throat. If little Jimmy has to ride a used bike for a while so be it. If you cant figure out a way for your kid to ride untill this crap gets fixed that's sad.
P.S. I don't smoke and no one is chasing me :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
i would have to agree. we r hated as a country because we so consumer based,but how many of those some countries that HATE us do we suport with us using there products? so the demand that they conform to some stander is not to far out for my liking. this may suck,im not saying that the total removal of all the differant kids bikes is right,it sucks they have choose our past time to make a stand, but sometimes a stand is needed.(just my thought)
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So who's life is being saved by not allowing me to put my son on a brand new KDX 50? I'm still waiting for that answer. I cant put my son on a brand new bike like millions of kids before him were allowed to because YOU and someone like YOU think so? THAT is sad. Any more of my freedoms you want to take away? And once again... WHO'S LIFE IS BEING SAVED by MY unwilling sacrifice? Not YOUR sacrifice because you could give a s**t whether my son got the bike he's been wanting for over a year or not. So I should go buy a used bike.... but WAIT.... didnt someone say I cant even buy parts for a small cc bike anymore? So I should buy a used bike with who knows what wear and tear that I cant even fix? Are you kidding me? But you are going to put a condescending "That's sad" because I'm not happy that my son and I have to suffer for YOUR cause? Still waiting for the documented cases of lead poisoning from a dirtbike to validate all this BULLs**t. Maybe if you had a son thats been waiting for a new dirtbike and you had to look him in the face and see the disappointment in his eyes, then maybe you would at least TRY to see someone elses point of view. Do you have a son that is going without his new dirtbike? Then who are you to tell me its no big deal? Not to mention the economic effects on the dealers who already purchased these bikes from the manufacturers and have them in their inventory. Dont they have to pay taxes on anything in their inventory? This is hurting AMERICANS FIRST and the foreign manufacturers SECOND. You're like a gun control lobbyist thats never touched a gun in their life, but still tells other people who have experience with firearms and practice firearm safety on a regular basis that guns are too dangerous for them to have. For you its a political "issue", or a product standards "issue". For ME its PERSONAL. My toes are being stepped on while yours stay in the clear. Thats fair. But at least you hippies have something to shake your pom-poms about. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
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It's BS :x here's a website for comments to :x CPSC :x http://www.cpsc.gov/cgibin/info.aspx
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this was posted on a different site. maybe big brother got a hold of it.
Unfortunately that pic IS sad. Thats like when you see a truck on the 4x4 sites showing off their articulation by driving up a tree. Fueling the hippies' fire :roll: ...and bad parenting. "How cute... Junior's eating brake dust!"
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So who's life is being saved by not allowing me to put my son on a brand new KDX 50? I'm still waiting for that answer. I cant put my son on a brand new bike like millions of kids before him were allowed to because YOU and someone like YOU think so? THAT is sad. Any more of my freedoms you want to take away? And once again... WHO'S LIFE IS BEING SAVED by MY unwilling sacrifice? Not YOUR sacrifice because you could give a s**t whether my son got the bike he's been wanting for over a year or not. So I should go buy a used bike.... but WAIT.... didnt someone say I cant even buy parts for a small cc bike anymore? So I should buy a used bike with who knows what wear and tear that I cant even fix? Are you kidding me? But you are going to put a condescending "That's sad" because I'm not happy that my son and I have to suffer for YOUR cause? Still waiting for the documented cases of lead poisoning from a dirtbike to validate all this BULLs**t. Maybe if you had a son thats been waiting for a new dirtbike and you had to look him in the face and see the disappointment in his eyes, then maybe you would at least TRY to see someone elses point of view. Do you have a son that is going without his new dirtbike? Then who are you to tell me its no big deal? Not to mention the economic effects on the dealers who already purchased these bikes from the manufacturers and have them in their inventory. Dont they have to pay taxes on anything in their inventory? This is hurting AMERICANS FIRST and the foreign manufacturers SECOND. You're like a gun control lobbyist thats never touched a gun in their life, but still tells other people who have experience with firearms and practice firearm safety on a regular basis that guns are too dangerous for them to have. For you its a political "issue", or a product standards "issue". For ME its PERSONAL. My toes are being stepped on while yours stay in the clear. Thats fair. But at least you hippies have something to shake your pom-poms about. :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x :x
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so i have to play devils advicate, at what point to we excapt sub standerd product because of our want (or our childs want)? where do we draw the line. if not here then why say at our food products? is tanted meat really that bad for u? jack in the box made great kids meals with it and it only hurt/killed a few ppl on the over all scale of the population of this country. so here is wher i agree with u i F*ck'n hate the goverment for all the bs they do do us in the intrest of helping us as a ppl,and im sorry for the hardship this has caused ur kid,i coment his hard work to save the money to get to this point, but u would not let ur kid buy a bike that u knew had a faulty fuel tank or bad brakes, why something that has been on the books for years(no lead base paint) should not be fixed? the motorcycle companies had to know the paint had lead in it, they just dont care about ur kid or any other americans kids.they just want our money. yes the dealers (may)take a hit,sorry for that, its the nature of business, but the makes of these bikes will fill the most impacted. there by making them abbide my our standards.
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STILL waiting to hear of ONE factual case where somebody was actually hurt or killed by "the lead based paint on a dirtbike" to warrant this "emergency response". Sounds to me like its just nit picky. (Valley girl voice)... "Ewww... lead." Is that really what its all about or is somebody besides American families who want dirtbikes for their kids REALLY suffering? If they took ALL bikes/parts and not just the kiddie bikes/parts off the floor then I think the rest of you would be singing a different tune. But it doesnt really affect you now does it? Its easy to expect OTHERS to suffer for your cause.... just ask Hitler. Do any of you that are defending these actions even have kids? Have a kid that wants a dirtbike? Has a kid that HAS a dirtbike?
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yes to both ur questions. i have an y 8 yr old & a 14yr old(both girls) my 14 yr old wants to ride my 500. but because im a responsible parent i do not because she MAY get badly hurt. i make her wait untill the time is right(that maybe never) it sucks that we as parents must make chooses for our kids(even ones they dont like and/or understand) beause it has been proven(maybe not in dirtbikes) that lead paint cause long tearm damage to kids when exposed at a young age. and thou it may take away from there fun right now i think that the wait is worth it for there(yours and mine)well being. the companys that make the bikes are not just going to stop making these line of bikes,there going to change the paint and life will return to normal&and ur son will get the chance at that sparkling new dirtbike he has had is heart set on.
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this paint thing has been brought up over and over in this thread. the paint is not the only issue. i talked to the owner of the local honda shop and here is the meat and taters of what he said.
"i talked to a rep at honda and he said that this ban covers every component of these machines that violates the ppm lead rating that the government passed. the guy said that even the engine block would never pass the test. there is way more than 600 ppm of lead in the alloy used for the engine block, and thats just one example."
remember, those were word right from a honda corp. rep. not my words. my opinion on this issue is kind of a blend of the posts by BDI and the posts of don46. i think the government is doing the right thing here by controling the lead content of kids toys but holy crap my kid isn't going to be eating the paint or any other part of a bike. i used lead sinkers on my fishing line from the time i could walk and i still use them. like every other person, i would use my teeth to tighten the sinker on the line. i'm kind of a tard but i'm sure it isn't caused by my exposure to lead. this is a real catch-22 issue for me. MADDOGGY
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maddoggy, you hit the nail on the head, it's not just paint and it has nothing to do with China, even though they may have crappy products that have lead. The point that most people are missing is that almost every component in bikes, atv's, cars, kitchen faucets, computers keep adding to the list, they all contain some lead and would be banned if they were for a 12 and under. to get where some of you want us, we might as well get rid of everything we own and live in caves again.
There is an article in USA today, in the opinion section, where a peditrician is quoted as saying that cases of lead poisoning are dropping every year. And if you would like them to drop further go to the inner city and clear out some of the old projects that were painted with lead paint.
Like maddoggy, as a kid I went fishing everyday, and used my teeth to pinch the split shot together, and to my knowledge I don't have lead poisoning
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You know, I'm not sure about the new standards or how realistic they are. A year ago "my kids" were walking around the house with fake vampire teeth in their mouths. The next day there was a recall on the teeth because of their lead content. They are sending all kinds of crap over here with lead in it. Even crap that has no reason at all to have lead in it, has lead in it. We gave the Dalai Lama some stupid prize that pissed off the Chinese people and I'm sure there's other reasons they hate us. So they intentionally send stuff to our Country that has poisonous levels of lead in it and flip us the bird. This is a strait up attack on our Country, more then an attack on our Country it is an attack on our kids. The reason they have been able to do this is because the spoiled Americans can't live with out their goods and if anyone tries to stop the flow of goods from China the spoiled Americans will flop on the floor and throw a fit and blow snot bubbles untill they get their cheep lead tainted goods from China. If you think this has nothing to do with China you have bumped your head and yes there is more to do with it then lead paint,that's my point. As for the tree hugging hippi thing are you F-N kidding me, you have no idea. I'm all about kicking ass and going to war if It's called for and we are at war with these guys and we need to fight back I would sooner fly over there and kick their ass but banning their crapy goods is a start. Now if I thought this ban was forever I would be tripping out but I'm sure it's not. So your kid has to go for a few months with out getting a brand new bike that's a very small sacrifice for the better good of our Country and children. There are alot of peoples kids that make real sacrifices for our Country you should count yourself blessed if that is the largest act of sacrifice your child is ever called upon to make for this Country. By the way this ban is not my fault nor is it "MY CAUSE" I had nothing to do with it. I do think it sucks that motrocycles got caught up in this it's a shame. I do have kids and they do have bikes and they will have bikes in the future If I have to whittle them from stone with my bare hands.
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You know, I'm not sure about the new standards or how realistic they are. A year ago "my kids" were walking around the house with fake vampire teeth in their mouths. The next day there was a recall on the teeth because of their lead content. They are sending all kinds of crap over here with lead in it. Even crap that has no reason at all to have lead in it, has lead in it. We gave the Dalai Lama some stupid prize that pissed off the Chinese people and I'm sure there's other reasons they hate us. So they intentionally send stuff to our Country that has poisonous levels of lead in it and flip us the bird. This is a strait up attack on our Country, more then an attack on our Country it is an attack on our kids. The reason they have been able to do this is because the spoiled Americans can't live with out their goods and if anyone tries to stop the flow of goods from China the spoiled Americans will flop on the floor and throw a fit and blow snot bubbles untill they get their cheep lead tainted goods from China. If you think this has nothing to do with China you have bumped your head and yes there is more to do with it then lead paint,that's my point. As for the tree hugging hippi thing are you F-N kidding me, you have no idea. I'm all about kicking ass and going to war if It's called for and we are at war with these guys and we need to fight back I would sooner fly over there and kick their ass but banning their crapy goods is a start. Now if I thought this ban was forever I would be triping out but I'm sure it's not. So your kid has to go for a few months with out getting a brand new bike that's a very small sacrifice for the better good of our Country and children. There are alot of peoples kids that make real sacrifices for our Country you should count yourself blessed if that is the largest act of scrifice your child is ever called upon to make for this Country. By the way this ban is not my fault nor is it "MY CAUSE" I had nothing to do with it. I do think it sucks that motrocycles got caught up in this it's a shame. I do have kids and they do have bikes and they will have bikes in the future If I have to whittle them from stone with my bare hands.
AMEN BROTHER!!!!!!!!!
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i don't know how well this fits into this thread but, i new this country was F^@# when everyone started celebrating Independence Day by waving little American flags that were made in China. i bet there is lead in them too.
I do have kids and they do have bikes and they will have bikes in the future If I have to whittle them from stone with my bare hands.
I'm with you there. my kids will be riding no mater what.
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here is a link to the cpsc that shows the law. http://www.cpsc.gov/cpscpub/prerel/prhtml09/09086.html look for the part that says the ppm limit will drop to 300ppm in august 2009.
this is a quote in a salt lake city newspaper article that i found on the internet. thought it was very interesting. these lawmakers literally don't even know what was affected when they passed this law. well anyways, here is the quote.
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"The law could push kids onto larger, more powerful machines if the ones running with engine displacement between 50 cubic centimeters and 100 are no longer available, said Fred Hayes, off-highway vehicle program coordinator for Utah State Parks.
"We're concerned that the federal government may force kids to ride adult machines, and if that happens, we'll see a lot more accidents," he said.
Even the agency administering the ban understands that the law may be counterproductive.
"It is critically important to the Consumer Product Safety Commission that youth models be available because we are the federal agency that has investigated numerous deaths involving young riders who jumped on to adult-size ATVs," said spokesman Scott Wolfson.
But the agency said it does not have the authority to exempt an entire class of products from the ban, and is reviewing thousands of products to decide if they meet the new lead standards.
In another twist, the Consumer Products Safety Improvement Act went into effect on Feb. 10, even though the deadline for public comment on how the law was to be implemented ended a week later, on Feb. 17."
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Congress rarely thinks ahead to the consequence of their laws,,, just how politically good it looks or sounds at the time. The devil is always in the details as we see here with CPSC,,, this is most likely NOT what was intended. US Fish and Game turned loose Canadian Wolves in Idaho to reintroduce wolves supposedly to comply with the Endangered Species Act,,, in doing so they violated the Act,,, simply the wolves are not indigenous to Idaho which violates the Act. Alaska and Canada have to control the numbers of wolves just to protect the rest of the wildlife. All I'm saying is this overreaches the intent just like what has happened with the ESA. (for every law Congress passes they should remove 2)
I do have a 7 year old that has learned to ride on a cheap China atv,,, now rides a a Husky 50 bike. As an informed parent I will never turn her loose on a large atv. I am comfortable with her on small machine. Common sense tells me the lead content,, while I believe it is all over in the machine,, is not a threat to worry about. What I am worried about,, I've covered helmet, goggles, boots, gloves, and protective clothing are always worn.
I believe the job of CPSC is not to restrict free trade but to inform the public,,, if I have a civil law suit,,, because of gross negligence of a manufacture,,, that is my recourse. Even a little personal responsibility,,, since we don't live in a risk free world.
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You know, I'm not sure about the new standards or how realistic they are. A year ago "my kids" were walking around the house with fake vampire teeth in their mouths. The next day there was a recall on the teeth because of their lead content. They are sending all kinds of crap over here with lead in it. Even crap that has no reason at all to have lead in it, has lead in it. We gave the Dalai Lama some stupid prize that pissed off the Chinese people and I'm sure there's other reasons they hate us. So they intentionally send stuff to our Country that has poisonous levels of lead in it and flip us the bird. This is a strait up attack on our Country, more then an attack on our Country it is an attack on our kids. The reason they have been able to do this is because the spoiled Americans can't live with out their goods and if anyone tries to stop the flow of goods from China the spoiled Americans will flop on the floor and throw a fit and blow snot bubbles untill they get their cheep lead tainted goods from China. If you think this has nothing to do with China you have bumped your head and yes there is more to do with it then lead paint,that's my point. As for the tree hugging hippi thing are you F-N kidding me, you have no idea. I'm all about kicking ass and going to war if It's called for and we are at war with these guys and we need to fight back I would sooner fly over there and kick their ass but banning their crapy goods is a start. Now if I thought this ban was forever I would be tripping out but I'm sure it's not. So your kid has to go for a few months with out getting a brand new bike that's a very small sacrifice for the better good of our Country and children. There are alot of peoples kids that make real sacrifices for our Country you should count yourself blessed if that is the largest act of sacrifice your child is ever called upon to make for this Country. By the way this ban is not my fault nor is it "MY CAUSE" I had nothing to do with it. I do think it sucks that motrocycles got caught up in this it's a shame. I do have kids and they do have bikes and they will have bikes in the future If I have to whittle them from stone with my bare hands.
thank u very much. we are talking about the only true communist super power. look at the propaganda. its real. they hate us and want to distroy the country that we all live in. norally i would not get on my soap box but this is about more then new motorcycles.
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Well I couldnt agree with you more on the lead teeth, little flags, or whatever. My posts have been stricly regarding the fact that ALL child sized dirtbikes got caught up in this. I dont have a passion for sharing glow in the dark teeth or any other cheap toy with my son. I DO however have a passion for sharing dirtbike riding with my son and did so long before he was even concieved. When I was a kid dreaming and wishing my parents would buy me a dirtbike, I knew back then that I would make sure my kid would get to enjoy dirtbikes. I am also not in a big hurry to run out and throw down 3 to 400 dollars on a cheap chinese throw away bike just so my son can ride. If that was the case he could have been riding over a year ago. I have been waiting until I had a chunk of cash to throw down on a brand new CRF or KDX 50 because I wanted a quality product. I also think its quite humorous that you are so gung-ho and standing up for this ban and telling me it should be no big deal to sacrifice for the greater good while your kids run around enjoying the VERY THING my kid is longing for and being forced to do without. :roll: Do I fit into this category- "spoiled Americans will flop on the floor and throw a fit and blow snot bubbles untill they get their cheep lead tainted goods"? I'm not asking for anything more than what you and yours already have and get to enjoy. Which of us qualifies as "spoiled"? I would put myself in the broke ass hard working American whos job was ripped out from underneath him by the housing crisis caused by the "spoiled" Americans buying more house than they could afford or the "spoiled" Americans buying up houses so they could try and turn them for a profit. My family and I are FAR from spoiled. But dirtbiking is the ONE expensive hobby I wanted to make sure my son had the opportunity to enjoy. Plus going so far as to say that I am lucky that is all my child has to sacrifice? HE'S SEVEN! You have no idea of my family or my family's history. My family has sacrificed more for this country and continues to sacrifice more so than the average American family. Of that I assure you.
Back to the issue. I posed this question earlier in this thread but havent seen it answered. Are ALL child sized bikes and atv's made in China? I assumed Honda and Kawasaki were Japanese companies but I guess they could out-source the small bikes.
-G
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Judging by the factory honda part I just bought for my kids bike that came in a honda wrapper with a honda part number from the honda shop that had a little gold sticker on it that said made in china, I would say yes. Japan is out sourcing to China and why wouldn't they, China can make it for them for cheaper then they could make it themselves. I love it, first I'm a hippi tree hugger now Im just a dick head because my kids have bikes. I think the ban sucks but I'm not going to let it get me down I'm sure it will get fixed. The only thing that has got me down is arguing with some $%#* that thinks its my fault and thinks that some how I'm repressing him with my opinion.
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gdubb, i feel your pain when it comes to seeing your kids utter disappointment when told of this ban. we both have kids that are saving money to buy their very own bike. this ban sucks PERIOD!!!!!
however, i share the same opinion as BDI when it comes to the point of making these manufacturers build quality products that will be absolutely safe for my kid. i'll figure out something for him to ride regardless of how this law ends up. you have been personally attacking BDI for stating his opinion and thats not cool. he's allowed to have his opinion just like you.
like i said before this is a real catch-22 issue for me.
you should show your voice by contacting your congressmen and senators with your views. i already did.
by the way, are you still sporting that BDI skull on your front fender?
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You know he tore that sticker off his bike and wiped his ass with it yesterday :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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this is the nice thing about this forum(us as men)is that we can have differant thoughts on what is right and wrong,share them in a respectful manner. ultimatly remembering that we are here because we ALL love riding(our kx's) and that is a common thread that can not be broke, not my the china make crap motorcycle(parts) politions and there aggendas or anything.(sorry my spelling sucks, hope u all got what i was tring to say)
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I didnt think I was "personally attacking" BDI. If I came across that way then maybe I messed up somewhere. I thought we were just having a hearty debate. I understand his point of view regarding China and tainted goods. I was just trying to make the point that everyones situation is not the same and should still be considered equally. Especially while some people are enjoying the very same lead tainted goods they seem to be so against.
As far as personal attacks go, I would consider THIS a "personal attack". Not to mention a dramatic and slanted misrepresentation of my actual posts...
Judging by the factory honda part I just bought for my kids bike that came in a honda wrapper with a honda part number from the honda shop that had a little gold sticker on it that said made in china, I would say yes. Japan is out sourcing to China and why wouldn't they, China can make it for them for cheaper then they could make it themselves. I love it, first I'm a hippi tree hugger now Im just a dick head because my kids have bikes. I think the ban sucks but I'm not going to let it get me down I'm sure it will get fixed. The only thing that has got me down is arguing with some $%#* that thinks its my fault and thinks that some how I'm repressing him with my opinion.
By the way... I NEVER stated that it was your fault, BDI, nor did I call you a dick because your kids had bikes. Just the fact that you were all for the ban if it was punching China in the mouth meanwhile causing my son to sacrifice the same enjoyment your kids get through the lead tainted goods you already purchased. Doesnt sound like a very fair perspective to me and that has been my WHOLE ENTIRE POINT throughout this thread. Meanwhile you insinuated that I was one of the winy snot nosed spoiled Americans. If you expect Americans to sacrifice, and are going to vocalize such beliefs, then you could at least sacrifice along with the rest of us, which was another point I was trying to make. But sure... I was making the personal attacks if thats what you all decide. I'm happy to be the bad guy for bringing up a more fair perspective for ALL involved.
As far as the childish comments regarding the stickers on my bike... Although I dont agree with BDI's point of view on this thread, I'm still an adult and can respect his artistic ability and appreciate the stylish looks of the BDI skull (although he may now wish I would not sport them any longer). You may not appreciate my point of view regarding the ban, or the way I went about trying to make my points regarding fairness for all (maybe I didnt do such a good job), but I am still a grown man and conduct myself accordingly. I refuse to stoop as some have done very recently. I stand proud, respectful, and if it comes to it... toe to toe with the best.
My opinion of BDI has not changed whatsoever although his opinion of me seems to be tainted now. Seems we both stand up for what we are passionate about, and arent so quick to sit back down. He had a point of view, which I mostly agreed with. I just thought maybe he wasnt considering all the effects on all people affected by this ban which I thought wasnt vary fair and was hoping to point out something maybe he hadnt considered. Especially considering that he and his children already profited from these so called "tainted goods" yet is very vocal about expecting others to sacrifice without them. I tried to portray my situation and my perspective and the respect and consideration I feel it deserves. Like I said before... I'm happy to be the bad guy for this and stand proud as such.
-G, The Bad Guy
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Ummmm, at the risk of wizzing gas on the fire......
I had the chance to speak with a dealer about this and not much new to report, you have read it all hear...more than just paint.....target ages...etc.
EXCEPT when I asked about floor plan and what he was going to do with the $$$ of the bikes?
to paraphrase his answer...
The manufactures are responding to this 'public health' issue like it is chum for lawyers and their really costly civil suits. The early word on the street is that the manufactures will be buying all the bikes back....strictly to limit this exposure.
sorry
Mark
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G-Dubb I don't think badly of you and I'm sure there are plenty of people on here that think I'm a jack ass for my point of veiw. Sorry
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Likewise my friend. Like I said before, I too agree with your point of view. I was just "playing the other role".
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Remember that without different ideas and points of view, no one learns anything new. Being in Canada I am inuslated from this but I sympathize with the mess that has been created. I can understand the aim of the legislators in preventing the importation of kids toys that contain harmful substances, however they have a duty to the public to recognize the ramifications of "all encompasing" legislation. In that they have failed miserably. I just hope that they are man enough to admit the error and correct it than fight to the death over it to "save" the public. I hate it when governments spend all their time tackling the easy stuff and seemly ignore the tough tuff to deal with (crystal meth for example - nice to see some all encompasing hammer down legislation there). Well I guess it's ok to drink the battery acid just don't lick the lead plates (for now). United we stand, divided we fall. Cam.
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Here's whats happening on this issue. My Congressman Mike Simpson is on it. Here is his letter to Congressman Waxman.
http://www.sharetrails.org/uploads/Letter_to_Chairman_Waxman_re_CPSIA.pdf
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Does anyone no where this issue is right now?
I saw Malcom Smith on youtube defying the ban and selling kids bike to some high profile MX Celebrities. He said he might have to go to jail but didn't care.
I guess a person can at least still buy used?
GDubb did you get a bike for your kid?
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