KX Riders
Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Original => Topic started by: sniper1 on June 16, 2011, 05:24:26 AM
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Ok I started this thread in the upgrades section and found out that some members can't view that area of the forum so I moved it here and the man calling the shots at hinson said if interest was strong enough he would do a run of baskets for the k5.
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That would depend on price. Did he give you an estimate based on how many units sold?
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That would depend on price.
Agreed. If it was priced like other existing hinson baskets, I'd probably go for it.
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Count me in
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He said it would be similar to the CR basket and since they still have all of the specs to make them it's more a matter of just programming the machine to cut them out, I will call and find out a solid number.
The manager didn't say anything about price being based on numbers wanted and I wish he had given me a solid number needed to make it worth their time I can't see them losing anything on this deal and if anything it makes their name all the better for doing it.
I explained to him that the euro guys have the talon and matika baskets and are not all that happy with them from what I've read so that could be a new market too with the super moto guys.
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Im in, as long as they're not too expensive
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bear with me... the listing for the mitaka basket states that the 90 -91 250 and the 86-04 500 mitaka basket is the same.... has anyone looked at a 90-91 hinson 250 basket to check? it may just fit too and that would solve a lot of problems..... although the mitaka is 7075 alloy and has lightened tangs so ought to be up to the task.K.
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also, when buying plates, the barnett kit has wider tabs on the friction plates to spread the load over a larger area which will help basket life.
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i bet a run of 100 or more.
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bear with me... the listing for the mitaka basket states that the 90 -91 250 and the 86-04 500 mitaka basket is the same.... has anyone looked at a 90-91 hinson 250 basket to check? it may just fit too and that would solve a lot of problems..... although the mitaka is 7075 alloy and has lightened tangs so ought to be up to the task.K.
I noticed that the part number for the 250 and 500 are the same but when I asked on here was told that they are different but if they were the same then the pressure plate and inner hub would be available too so I was excited for .1 second :)
I think a run of 100 would satisfy the need and at around $260-300 that's a nice chunk of change for hinson to grab and if they made the inner hub and pressure plate they could really cash in on our need for speed.
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I think it's safe to say we won't be seeing a hinson basket with only half a dozen people interested but nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Sorry Snipe,
Yea it's a great Idea, Yess I would Love to have said I would buy one... However that would be telling you a story as there's no way I can see coming up with the cash.
I kind of regret jumping in and looking up the link and all, but it is a good Idea, and the do make good stuff.
It has only been a few days, and I haven't seen alot of traffic as of late, there may be some more guys chime in.
And there are other sites that surely would also be interested, but I haven't been a part of their discussions for some time now.
You took the time to do the legwork and that is commendable.
Members like yourself is what keeps this place above all the petty flame and argue fest you can find at 99% of the other sites. So please don't be discouraged.
Tuck\o/
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Keep in mind.. there are only a handfull of guys that actually are Posters on this site.... If you watch the user list, we have LOTS Of Lurkers...
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/lurker.jpg)
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LOL that's hilarious :) needed a laugh right about now and I'm hoping we can get at least 50 people interested in a basket and the manager at hinson said he was going to do some online research too so he's looking into it or said he is.
Thanks tuck :) I've been on diesel hotrod forums where it's all fighting nothing gets done everyone hates each other and the gun forums make me want to shoot everyone lol, I worked with our armor on all military weapons for 6 years and some of the morons made me just leave the sites.
I won't even go into all of the wannabe snipers out there that think they are a sniper or want to make the 1000 yard shot so they can be a sniper jeez it's brutal and those guys fight more than the diesel guys about everything.
No shame in not being able to toss $300 out there for a basket and my wife has me waiting on this years crops to do much else other than a basket and that is pushing it now that she busted me putting just about all our cash out there on this new home and now I have to come up with another $6000 to get everything hooked up and setup so fun fun fun.
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If it helps, I would be interested in buying one. I really appreciate all your effort with this sniper1.
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Do not know if this helps any , but here is a Hinson box with part# and application
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/makoman/DSCN1060.jpg)
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Thanks tom and RD it looks like the 250 and 500 are the same and I noticed on bikebandit they have an oem area and the part numbers were identical so those years 250 and 500 are identical.
According to that box this part should work
http://www.bikebandit.com/hinson-billet-clutch-basket?mg=4904&t=1&td=1
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Got a 92 250 Hinson basket sitting around if anyone wants some measurements. Will directly try fitting it if things seem to add up
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Sniper
I have the basket that came in the box pictured.
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That would be great marco because the 91-92 KX250 hinson basket is still available and our problems are over with plus they still make an inner hub and pressure plate for the 250 so that would be even better.
Boy will I feel stupid if it's been sitting right under my nose all this time :) I'll call hinson and ask them if the specs are the exact same too that way we're double covered in case we miss something they should know if they are identical.
RD when did you buy that basket?
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RD when did you buy that basket?
Sniper
Got it with a parts bike. The basket is in the motor from the parts bike. I could probably get pics and measurments if needed.
Thanks Roger
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That would be great with marco and your measurements then I'll get hinson to check the specs against the K5 and see if it is the same that way we triple check so nobody gets the wrong part and chances are I'll guine pig it on this one lol.
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Not very accurate but if i can get a rough idea what the 500 basket is ill pull my clutch cover off the k5
(http://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8519/dsc01252q.jpg)
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caliper doesnt extend enough :|
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when i get home in 3 hours ill measure a kx500 hinson basket that in a customers motor. all the k5 hinson baskets ive seen has kx500 ingraved in them.
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Picture posted at request of Kaw Rider..
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/image-2.jpg)
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Thanks marco and kaw rider it sure would be nice if that 91-92 250 basket would be the one :) we wouldn't have to worry about filling a quota to have them made.
I wonder why the box that RD has shows 91-92 KX250 and 86-04 KX500 that is just odd unless hinson never stopped to notice that they were the same and just stamped the k5 basket with KX500 and charged more :) nah nobody would do that and if we get enough people to have hinson do a run and the 250 basket doesn't work I'll delete my wiseguy comment before showing this thread to hinson lol.
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Do not know if this helps any , but here is a Hinson box with part# and application
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/makoman/DSCN1060.jpg)
This box has me perplexed
On another note there were a lot of parts that crossed over from that year 250 to the 500 and that has come in handy a couple times so far.
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the 3 measurements i got from this kx500 hinson basket is different from the spec from that 250 hinson basket. the best thing at this point is for somebody to send me a 90-91 kx250 stock or hinson basket so i can compare them to this kx500 hinson basket. i think with some help from other we as a group can make this work.
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the 3 measurements i got from this kx500 hinson basket is different from the spec from that 250 hinson basket. the best thing at this point is for somebody to send me a 91-92 kx250 stock or hinson basket so i can compare them to this kx500 hinson basket. i think with some help from other we as a group can make this work.
That's too bad. I wonder is the 90 to 91 is the ticket?
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the 3 measurements i got from this kx500 hinson basket is different from the spec from that 250 hinson basket. the best thing at this point is for somebody to send me a 91-92 kx250 stock or hinson basket so i can compare them to this kx500 hinson basket. i think with some help from other we as a group can make this work.
I sure hope someone has a 91-92 basket to send to you this would be great if this works :)
According to the bikebandit schematic the parts are the same from basket to inner hub and pressure plate :)
92 KX250
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1992-kawasaki-kx250-kx250j1-us/o/m3836#sch61049
02 KX500
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/2002-kawasaki-kx500/o/m3853#sch288615
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hopefully oldguy or blaster has one we can check out. or fond one on fleebay
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wait im a little confused. the basket i posted is a 92. thought the measurement dont add up?
90 to 91 is what we should be trying to find, as in rd's post
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wait im a little confused. the basket i posted is a 92. thought the measurement dont add up?
90 to 91 is what we should be trying to find, as in rd's post
YEa. I dont know what they were chasing...
Id be interested in seeing if you could use the 92 basket, with the simple swap of some other off the shelf parts, (clutch plates/inner hub possibly)
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hopefully oldguy or blaster has one we can check out. or fond one on fleebay
I don't have one right now but since it appears that nobody else does either I'm working on buying one right now....
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wait im a little confused. the basket i posted is a 92. thought the measurement dont add up?
90 to 91 is what we should be trying to find, as in rd's post
YEa. I dont know what they were chasing...
Id be interested in seeing if you could use the 92 basket, with the simple swap of some other off the shelf parts, (clutch plates/inner hub possibly)
I have extra 92 hub and basket and would be willing to try, just not now, I want a running bike for next weekend :P
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We need a 90-91 basket.
I have emailed a seller to get him to verify the engine ID numbers.
As soon as it's confirmed I will order it.
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Just a FYI. This is the basket that came out of the box in the picture. It has the number 08261304 at about 6 oclock in the pic.
Sorry for the quality of the picture and yes I should be wearing shoes in the shop :-D
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v210/makoman/DSCN1491.jpg)
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RD
flip that basket over and count the teeth on the ring gear and measure the OD and count the small gear and measure the bore of the small gear.
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I just bought a 90 kx250 basket.
As soon as I get it I will get the dimensions.
Kaw Rider, if you want to do some toying with it, let me know and I'll send it to you.
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wait im a little confused. the basket i posted is a 92. thought the measurement dont add up?
90 to 91 is what we should be trying to find, as in rd's post
You are right marco I looked up the wrong year (92) sorry about that but the 92 is the same part number :)
91 kx250
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/1991-kawasaki-kx250-kx250h2-us/o/m3835#sch53539
02 kx500
http://www.bikebandit.com/houseofmotorcycles/2002-kawasaki-kx500/o/m3853#sch288615
Looks like according to bikebandit the 250 uses the same part number as the 500 up to 97.
I have to admit this is kind of exciting :) I can tell you guys are pumped up too how awesome to have you guys checking dimensions and sizes big thanks to those doing the leg work here and I am all ready to hit the order button if this all pans out.
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Hello.
I see a common mistake here.
When looking up parts numbers on bikebandit, Kawasaki, or wherever, there are two numbers, the actual part number and the diagram reference number.
People often mistake the diagram reference number which tends to be the same for many years with the part number.
As an example, this is bikebandits numbers:
13095: (diagram reference number)
HOUSING-COMP-CLUTCH
763914 ***This is the part number***
(546125-001) $297.32
1990 KX250(KX250H1)
1991 KX250(KX250H2)
13095: (diagram reference number)
HOUSING-COMP-CLUTCH
763918 *** This part number does not match the 90-91***
(546129-001) $284.67
1992 Kawasaki KX250(KX250J1)
1993 Kawasaki KX250(KX250J2)
If you got to Kawasaki's site, you will see the actual factory part number and the diagram reference number.
Here is the numbers for the baskets.
91kx250 13095 (diagram reference number) 13095-1206 (part number) HOUSING-COMP-CLUTCH
92kx250 13095 (diagram reference number) 13095-1240 (part number) HOUSING-COMP-CLUTCH
As you can see the part numbers are different.
This does not mean that the parts won't interchange.
It simply means that there is something different, ie color, style, casting, supplier ect.
Hope this takes some of the mystery out of this.
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i don't see the 90-91 hinson basket there website for sale just the 92 and newer.
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Here is someone who claims to have them...
http://shop.andersracing.net/Kawasaki-KX250-Hinson-Clutch-Basket-90-91-KLA31-082.htm (http://shop.andersracing.net/Kawasaki-KX250-Hinson-Clutch-Basket-90-91-KLA31-082.htm)
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Thanks blaster this will save me grief down the road at some point thanks for pointing that out and I'm a tad excited hoping this all works out :) goos frabah.
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RD
flip that basket over and count the teeth on the ring gear and measure the OD and count the small gear and measure the bore of the small gear.
I will get measurments and tooth count on that , but it will probably be late tonight.
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RD
flip that basket over and count the teeth on the ring gear and measure the OD and count the small gear and measure the bore of the small gear.
Ring gear= 66teeth
Small gear= 17 teeth
Small gear bore = 31.9mm
Ring gear= 151mm
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Just got off the phone with hinson they said that H082 is the kx500 basket and they don't make them anymore but some are out there floating around so if you can get one grab it but hinson said that is the part number for the kx500 082 I ordered one today.
In the sales meeting on wednesday he is going to try and get a run of k5 baskets made though and will call me back wednesday evening to tell me how it went.
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sales meeting sounds like a shot in the dark. for a bike thats not being made anymore i would say no inless they charge alot more.
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sales meeting sounds like a shot in the dark. for a bike thats not being made anymore i would say no inless they charge alot more.
well if there is demand for it im sure they would make it
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hey snipe, you should make this same kind of thread on multiple websites like kxriders so more kx500 people can say they want the basket
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I would be in for at least one Hinson basket.
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Good idea 89 kaw and just so everyone knows that the 90-91 250 part is the kx500 part so there are quite a few of them out there from ebay and I ordered mine from
http://shop.andersracing.net/Kawasaki-KX250-Hinson-Clutch-Basket-90-91-KLA31-082.htm
$208 shipped to my door and once again hinson told me that it is the kx500 basket and they are available on many different sites.
Don't give up yet kaw rider the manager at hinson told me they just started making the CR250 basket,inner hub, and pressure plate due to demand he said 2 strokes are making a comeback and they have noticed that comeback due to 4 chokes breaking everyone but the factory teams.
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you should make an online petition. ( on a different site)
and show that to hinson
http://www.petitiononline.com/create_petition.html
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personally i havent used a aftermarket basket for a long time. Yeah but a cr250 clutch will also work on a cr 500 too and honda didnt change there clutch over a long period of time. Are they going to make the inner hub and pressue plate too.
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Just ordered one.
I guess we'll find out soon enough.
Worst case I'll flog it on FeeBay.
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LOL yep fleebay never fails.
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personally i havent used a aftermarket basket for a long time. Yeah but a cr250 clutch will also work on a cr 500 too and honda didnt change there clutch over a long period of time. Are they going to make the inner hub and pressue plate too.
Hinson said they are making the whole nine yards for the cr250 pressure plate and inner hub and basket.
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Links to get 90-91 KX250 billet basket made by hinson and hinson verified that it is the KX500 basket too same part number according to their sales manager.
http://shop.andersracing.net/Kawasaki-KX250-Hinson-Clutch-Basket-90-91-KLA31-082.htm
http://rpmmfg.com/clutch.aspx
Only 2 places that have them in stock so far if anyone else finds more links post away and the anders is the cheapest thanks for that link blaster :)
I just spoke with hinson again and once again the manager verified the 90-91 KX250 basket is identical in every way to the KX500 basket it's the same specs too per hinson.
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I hope the rubber cushions come with it I forgot to ask :( anyone know if they automatically come with them?
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of course, there is another option but as i often feel im talking to myself im not gonnma waste my energy.good luck.
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Another option? always up for other options but using the 90-91 KX250 basket made by hinson is also a pretty good option and I've double and triple checked with hinson they assure me that it's the exact same part and they even use the same part number H082.
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My order with Anders was cancelled this morning.
Here is their response:
"Sorry had two in stock and sold them two days prior to your order,didnt get it removed in time."
I guess that means they don't have them :-o
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My order with Anders was cancelled this morning.
Here is their response:
"Sorry had two in stock and sold them two days prior to your order,didnt get it removed in time."
I guess that means they don't have them :-o
aw crap :-(
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I just got a refund too :(
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:-D
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Bah humbug I'm sitting here waiting on a basket and I get a crappy email saying my money is refunded but I spoke to hinson and the sale meeting didn't go horrible but as of right now they are not going to be making them and that means not right this minute but the idea was not given a no it's on the table still :) just not an immediate fix.
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i have a idea but right now i don't have the time right now to find out to see if it would work. The old guy did point me in a right direction. :-D
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i have a idea but right now i don't have the time right now to find out to see if it would work. The old guy did point me in a right direction. :-D
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how many guys would drop $750 for a full hinson set up. i dont see hinson making a set up inless somebody private labels it.
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Ok Mr. Negative.......
I want my stinkin clutch basket....
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LOL the decoder ring hilarious and mr negative :) good stuff and it's not $750 that we are talking it's $250 for a basket that's all they would be making for now according to the man I spoke with but the CR250 is making such a comeback in rider participation that they made the whole setup so we can do the same thing I believe.
It would only be the basket so not $750 I was told we would be looking at $250-260 if it they make them and if the demand was big enough then the inner hub and pressure plate would follow I'm sure.
I think if someone wanted to buy 50 of them they would load that program right up into the CAD machine and go with it but I will call and ask them what solid numbers it would take to make it happen.
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im sure they would have to make the idler gear hub too.
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Okay, WHO FARTED? :-D