KX Riders
Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Original => Topic started by: USMC 500 on March 14, 2011, 05:25:35 PM
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OK so I'm starting another topic on the same topic that started over a year ago. Let me catch everyone up. Went to clean my air filter because the bike was running like crap and 3 hours later it was down to the frame!!
Here is the link to my original post for this project.....
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,6905.0.html
So here are some pictures of whats happened in the last couple of days. Some will be followed by questions for all of you kx500 masters.
The Frame after powdercoat....silverado silver.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0314112133.jpg)
Other than the primary is there anything else that needs to come off before the cases are split?
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0314112123.jpg)
The rod is supposed to slide side to side slightly, however this rod also rocks side to side slightly....bad rod or bearing?
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0314112126.jpg)
Should there be this much oil build up were the kips assembly sits?
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0314112129.jpg)
Here is the cylider.....place comments here....lolll
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0314112137.jpg)
Bottom of the jug....comments here....lolll
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0314112139.jpg)
And finally, the book says I should have 2.6 to 3.6 ohms of resistance on the primary side of the coil and I have .5 ohms. My leads have .3 ohms of resistance by themselves. Is this were the extra resistance is comming from?
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0314112150.jpg)
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On your crank, how far does it rock back and forth at the wrist pin?
We have found the following after they have been rebuilt from Hot Rods and others.
.020" New
.060" or less: Still usable
.060" or Greater: at the end of it's service life.
We have seen them still going at .120" but............
Just my .02 cents, If I was going to split the cases, I'd just re-build it.
Then again I like to sleep at night :|
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Lets see.. where to start.
Splitting cases...
I notice in one of your pics.. the flywheel is on the motor... You must remove flywheel.. as this side is the case that will come off (and leave trans gears in the other case).
(like this)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/Kxmotor%202/DSC_4360.jpg)
You must remove the gear that is on the crank itself.. as well as the one tward the rear on one of the trans shafts. (there are 2 snap rings on this shaft, one above gear (you can see) and one under it, once you pull it.. both need to be removed... (take out the kick start assembly as well.. or it will just fall out. and you will have to deal with picking up the pieces)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/upload.jpg)
ROD
Ill dig out the specs on it... But UP AND DOWN play is what you need to worry about mostly..
But if your there... its only like $60 to have it rebuilt (labor) then parts..
Need i remind you what a failed rod bearing looks like..
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/Kxmotor%202/DSC_4336.jpg)
JUG.
Hard to tell from pics.. but looks like it needs a plate job...
How are the intake bridges? cracked like they all do? exaust bridges cracked? hard to see somteimes... look close
Coil..
Digging out specs...
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Remove Rotor.....gotcha, up and down play on the rod is not happening but its good insurance to just have it rebuilt anyway, and remove kick start assembly, and both gears, gotcha....thanks boss.....much gratitude to all those on this site.
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Remove Rotor.....gotcha, up and down play on the rod is not happening but its good insurance to just have it rebuilt anyway, and remove kick start assembly, and both gears, gotcha....thanks boss.....much gratitude to all those on this site.
I think you have your specs wrong on the coil (or you made a typo)
Coil specs
Primary (Lead to metal body of coil, then to signal wire)
0.26-0.36 Ohms
Secondary (lead to metal body of coil, then to plug wire)
2.6-3.6 K Ohms
This is at 68deg F
I would Bypass the (bullet plug) for testing... as they are Poor.. especially getting on in their age... (all the connectors on my bike have been replaced with marine grade spade lock
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Just noticed somthing else... did you take the Plastic guide out from inside the kick start spring??
:? :?
Can be seen here
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,8717.msg69060.html#msg69060
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Yeah I took out the plastic piece already....its sitting in the box with the clutch and everything else. Good eye boss. You're also right about the typo. I did mean .26-.36 on the primary which I'm getting .5 ohms. I'm also showing 2.9 ohms on the secondary side. I'm using an Ideal meter cause my Fluke is at work. I'll try the same readings with my Fluke tomorrow. If I do have cracks on the intake and exhaust of the jug can they be fixed or would I need a replacment? I'm gonna send the jug to Kaw Rider for service.
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:-o....crap, found a crack...is this bad?!
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/jugcrack1.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/jugcrack2.jpg)
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Nope... Plater can weld em up.. good as new.. :mrgreen:
They did mine...
Wow.. those ports dont have any chamfer to em at all...
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Do you recommend any porting or anything? Thanks for all your help Motorrad.....I'm gonna have to make my way over to ya after this thing is built to do some riding....or maybe you should meet me in Mojave....Its about 20 min away from me. :-D
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Do you recommend any porting or anything? Or should I just have Kaw Rider fix, clean, and presto? Thanks for all your help Motorrad.....I'm gonna have to make my way over to ya after this thing is built to do some riding....or maybe you should meet me in Mojave....Its about 20 min away from me. :-D
Not sure if you have stumbled across this yet on the site..
http://www.hallbergs.net/kx500/
Id take the (slag) out of the boost ports. rest of it.. is pretty darn good... for a desert racer,
(I clean all the casting flaws out of mine... and polish the exhaust). But if your not handy with port work... you can do more damage than good...
I dont agree with the above articles sharpening of the dividers...
You learn some nifty things in fluid engineering class at UCSD...
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Checked my stator windings and this is what I found....
Specs-153-230 Ohms: Black/White to Black/Yellow
7.9-11.9 Ohms: White/Red to Black/Yellow
I have- 309 ohms Black/White to Black Yellow
10 ohms White/Red to Black/Yellow
Is my stator starting to take a dump :|??
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yes, i can fix the stator.
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:lol: :lol: Hold on there "mechanical Yoda, wise KX500 jedi master"!! Whats wrong with my stator anyways? Dont worry Kaw rider....as soon as some funds I'm expecting make it here you are getting my top end for a KIPS bolt, porting, re-plate, windowed Wisco piston, etc..... We can work out the $$$ details as soon as I can send you the parts. Does the stator high resistance contribute to the fact that my K5 was running like a turtles ass? :-D
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Just sold an old front end off an old road race bike I had!! A certified check for $450 is in the mail and on its way to me!! More $$$ to feed the hungry project!! :-D
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Just sold an old front end off an old road race bike I had!! A certified check for $450 is in the mail and on its way to me!! More $$$ to feed the hungry project!! :-D
What was it off of??
Have the cases split yet?
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The front end came off a 2005 GSXR 750 track bike I had. I was gonna put that front end on a project SV1000 I had. Both the GSXR and the SV have found new homes and i had parts left over. I'm sure Motorrad has a ton of parts from various projects he has had so he can relate to me..loll. I have not split the cases yet because I am still working on either buying a case splitter, or building one from scratch. I see the one you use and I am pretty sure its something you made yourself. Soon as the cases are split pictures as going up. Once again thanks for your help. 8-)
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Haha. When you say "sold a OLD front end off a OLD road race bike". Some of us antique bike guys don't invasion A 2005 motorcycle....
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Haha. When you say "sold a OLD front end off a OLD road race bike". Some of us antique bike guys don't invasion A 2005 motorcycle....
That's what I was thinking. Was having visions of my OLD Ceriani front end on my 71 S2R racebike. Long gone now...
Nice looking project you have going. Those cracks were the same ones I saw in the sleeved cylinder I looked at this weekend on a bike that was a possible trade for my CB900F. After adding up the cost to fix the damage I decided to pass on it. Just out of curiosity, what does it cost to fix those cracks and replate? And that begs the question, is it better to have it replated, or sleeved?
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Haha. When you say "sold a OLD front end off a OLD road race bike". Some of us antique bike guys don't invasion A 2005 motorcycle....
:lol:...I know what you mean. I did have a complete rolling chassis of a Yamaha RD350 that I was gonna build up a few months ago but someone ended up giving me too much money for it....I may be only 33 years old but I know my racebike history and I can tell you that I would not mind walking through some of your backyards to see some treasures from the past...... :-D
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Backyard??? As in outside? No, that's not gonna happen. Backyards are for pools and swingsets, not for motorcycles. At least not mine.
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Good call......what I ment to say was "garage" or "workshop".....thanks for clearing things up long_av8r... :-D Could not find my flywheel puller so I had to order another one. Should be in on Tue. Hopefully I should have cases split by Wed night. I'll post pics soon as I "git er dun"!! :mrgreen:
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You at Miramar or Pendleton? I have a few of them but don't know if any of them work on the 500 - I know I have one for a CR500.
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I used to live at Pendleton.....I'm out now boss. I live 3.5 hours north of Pendleton in a little town called Tehachapi. Its about 20 west of Mojave. I am in pristine riding conditions for both road racing and off road. :-D
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Yup, I know where that's at. A little far to drive for a borrowed puller I guess.
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Good call......what I ment to say was "garage" or "workshop".....thanks for clearing things up long_av8r... :-D Could not find my flywheel puller so I had to order another one. Should be in on Tue. Hopefully I should have cases split by Wed night. I'll post pics soon as I "git er dun"!! :mrgreen:
IS IT DONE YET? IS IT DONE YET?
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tomorrow......my company has had me working lots of hours and I haven't had the energy to do it. Can you believe how inconsiderate my company is!!?? Imagine not being able to work on my projects because they want me to do "work"!!....... :roll: lllooooolllllll
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Progress so far..... :wink:
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0402111816.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0402111828.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0402111838.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0403110953.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0403110952.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0403110952a.jpg)
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So, how about a picture of how clean you got your air filter?
:roll:
keep up the good work.
When you got that filter in wanna help me change my spark plug?
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no really- looks like your doin a great job. keep chippin away at the stone and sooner than later you`ll be back on a wheel and a half
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So, how about a picture of how clean you got your air filter?
:roll:
keep up the good work.
When you got that filter in wanna help me change my spark plug?
:lol:
no really- looks like your doin a great job. keep chippin away at the stone and sooner than later you`ll be back on a wheel and a half
LOLLLL.......you should see what happens when I just wanna put fuel in!! Thanks for the encouraging words buddy.
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So is it going to be together for this weekends race? ;)
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So is it going to be together for this weekends race? ;)
All the parts will be "together" but I highly doubt that they will be "assembled"..... :-D
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So is it going to be together for this weekends race? ;)
All the parts will be "together" but I highly doubt that they will be "assembled"..... :-D
Well if you make it a roller, and strap the rest of the parts to your back... I can tow you... and then technically you can run the race on your 500...
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But then how am I gonna beat you to the line I'm being towed behind you?! That makes no sense!! :-D
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But then how am I gonna beat you to the line I'm being towed behind you?! That makes no sense!! :-D
Ill nail the brakes at the last moment... and you will sail past me... (like drafting) Duh.. :roll:
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This might explain the proper procedure for passing in that situation.
(http://cdn.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/45704/s1600_040211reed_stewart006.jpg)
(http://cdn.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/45706/s1600_040211reed_stewart008.jpg)
(http://cdn.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/45714/s1600_040211reed_stewart016.jpg)
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This might explain the proper procedure for passing in that situation.
(http://cdn.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/45704/s1600_040211reed_stewart006.jpg)
(http://cdn.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/45706/s1600_040211reed_stewart008.jpg)
(http://cdn.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/45714/s1600_040211reed_stewart016.jpg)
Disgrace to the sport.......
So USCM500.... Is it done yet? I need a local 500cc riding buddy...
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Not done yet......getting there though. I'll be in the San Diego area this Friday the 15th and I will be there till Monday the 25th. I'll give ya a call. I'd love to see some of your projects. :wink:
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doesn`t that picture remind ya of Hannah back in the 80`s.
that guy never had both feet on the pegs :-P
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This might explain the proper procedure for passing in that situation.
(http://cdn.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/45704/s1600_040211reed_stewart006.jpg)
(http://cdn.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/45706/s1600_040211reed_stewart008.jpg)
(http://cdn.vitalmx.com/photos/users/64/photos/45714/s1600_040211reed_stewart016.jpg)
Disgrace to the sport.......
So USCM500.... Is it done yet? I need a local 500cc riding buddy...
He is the fastest out of control and dangerous guy out there. :roll:
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People always credit McGrath with pioneering the "NacNac", but even Showtime himself wouldn't attempt such a trick mid-corner!
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Shakedown trip for my bike first weekend of may... Ocotillo wells... Be there...
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Had the honor of meeting up with Oscar tonight... had a few beers, and dinner... lots of bench racing... Very cool...
but one thing left to be said...
(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0808/dude-is-it-done-yet-demotivational-poster-1220071262.jpg)
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Shakedown trip for my bike first weekend of may... Ocotillo wells... Be there...
WOn't be on my K5, but may show up to check yours out. :mrgreen:
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The honor and pleasure was all mine buddy..........now lets get that beast put together!!!! :-D
Had the honor of meeting up with Oscar tonight... had a few beers, and dinner... lots of bench racing... Very cool...
but one thing left to be said...
(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0808/dude-is-it-done-yet-demotivational-poster-1220071262.jpg)
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Ive got a sweet VERY low hours 1998 K5 motor for sale if anyone is interested.. $1000
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Ive got a sweet VERY low hours 1998 K5 motor for sale if anyone is interested.. $1000
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Stock complete engine? Please shoot me a PM.
Thanks, Pete
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PM sent :-D
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PM sent :-D
Got the PM! 10-4!
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PM sent :-D
Got the PM! 10-4!
Sweet.. SOLD... pending payment. :wink:
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:-o...........Wow, I can't believe that you came across ANOTHER 98 low hour k5 motor.......what are the odds!! :lol:
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:-o...........Wow, I can't believe that you came across ANOTHER 98 low hour k5 motor.......what are the odds!! :lol:
I'm going to use the one I'm buying from Motorrad and put it in a riding mower! Five gears on a riding mower! I'm really excited to see what the possibilities are!
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:-o...........Wow, I can't believe that you came across ANOTHER 98 low hour k5 motor.......what are the odds!! :lol:
I'm going to use the one I'm buying from Motorrad and put it in a riding mower! Five gears on a riding mower! I'm really excited to see what the possibilities are!
K5 riding lawn mower?!....might as well buy an excavator!!...... :-D
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:-o...........Wow, I can't believe that you came across ANOTHER 98 low hour k5 motor.......what are the odds!! :lol:
I'm going to use the one I'm buying from Motorrad and put it in a riding mower! Five gears on a riding mower! I'm really excited to see what the possibilities are!
should ship out tomarrow..
I get a ride once its built right?
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:-o...........Wow, I can't believe that you came across ANOTHER 98 low hour k5 motor.......what are the odds!! :lol:
I'm going to use the one I'm buying from Motorrad and put it in a riding mower! Five gears on a riding mower! I'm really excited to see what the possibilities are!
should ship out tomarrow..
I get a ride once its built right?
Absolutely! I have a few details to work out like how to maintain a constant cutting blade speed no matter what drive gear I'm in! Not trying to build a helicopter or hover craft. Lol! Just want to have one of the fastest single cylinder riding mowers that can still cut grass!
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:-o...........Wow, I can't believe that you came across ANOTHER 98 low hour k5 motor.......what are the odds!! :lol:
I'm going to use the one I'm buying from Motorrad and put it in a riding mower! Five gears on a riding mower! I'm really excited to see what the possibilities are!
should ship out tomarrow..
I get a ride once its built right?
Absolutely! I have a few details to work out like how to maintain a constant cutting blade speed no matter what drive gear I'm in! Not trying to build a helicopter or hover craft. Lol! Just want to have one of the fastest single cylinder riding mowers that can still cut grass!
Hmm K5 powered "Hover Mower"
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Okay... all joking aside..
We took a good hard look at Oscars motor this weekend..
I cant believe how little wear this motor has on it.. the shift forks that came out of his motor have less wear on them than the new one I just pulled out of a OEM Kawasaki wrapper....
everything in the lower end looks like its off the showroom floor.
We did find its Demise... the previous owner.. slapped a wiseco in there.. and never checked piston wall..
I checked it at .0015" piston wall.... yea.. thats tight for a wiseco.. :-o
So been working on cleaning up porting flaws.. not going to change much on this CLY.. just going to be a good all round K5..
Piston ordered... Jug should go out for plate by end of week..
Then piston window will be cut, Piston skirts will be trimmed..
Cases and lower end will take a ride to work with me sometime this week for a bath in the hot tank.. as well.. to prep the lower end for assembly.
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Okay... all joking aside..
We took a good hard look at Oscars motor this weekend..
I cant believe how little wear this motor has on it.. the shift forks that came out of his motor have less wear on them than the new one I just pulled out of a OEM Kawasaki wrapper....
everything in the lower end looks like its off the showroom floor.
We did find its Demise... the previous owner.. slapped a wiseco in there.. and never checked piston wall..
I checked it at .0015" piston wall.... yea.. thats tight for a wiseco.. :-o
So been working on cleaning up porting flaws.. not going to change much on this CLY.. just going to be a good all round K5..
Piston ordered... Jug should go out for plate by end of week..
Then piston window will be cut, Piston skirts will be trimmed..
Cases and lower end will take a ride to work with me sometime this week for a bath in the hot tank.. as well.. to prep the lower end for assembly.
Ahhh!! d**n it!!! I was looking forward to seeing this K5 powered mower!!! hahahaha!! Motorrad has been great. I have met few people on this planet as genuine as him. Thanks for all the help "Jedi Master of Machines"!!
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Okay... all joking aside..
We took a good hard look at Oscars motor this weekend..
I cant believe how little wear this motor has on it.. the shift forks that came out of his motor have less wear on them than the new one I just pulled out of a OEM Kawasaki wrapper....
everything in the lower end looks like its off the showroom floor.
We did find its Demise... the previous owner.. slapped a wiseco in there.. and never checked piston wall..
I checked it at .0015" piston wall.... yea.. thats tight for a wiseco.. :-o
So been working on cleaning up porting flaws.. not going to change much on this CLY.. just going to be a good all round K5..
Piston ordered... Jug should go out for plate by end of week..
Then piston window will be cut, Piston skirts will be trimmed..
Cases and lower end will take a ride to work with me sometime this week for a bath in the hot tank.. as well.. to prep the lower end for assembly.
Ahhh!! d**n it!!! I was looking forward to seeing this K5 powered mower!!! hahahaha!! Motorrad has been great. I have met few people on this planet as genuine as him. Thanks for all the help "Jedi Master of Machines"!!
Butter me up all you want... Your not getting my Hamel seat..
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Okay... all joking aside..
We took a good hard look at Oscars motor this weekend..
I cant believe how little wear this motor has on it.. the shift forks that came out of his motor have less wear on them than the new one I just pulled out of a OEM Kawasaki wrapper....
everything in the lower end looks like its off the showroom floor.
We did find its Demise... the previous owner.. slapped a wiseco in there.. and never checked piston wall..
I checked it at .0015" piston wall.... yea.. thats tight for a wiseco.. :-o
So been working on cleaning up porting flaws.. not going to change much on this CLY.. just going to be a good all round K5..
Piston ordered... Jug should go out for plate by end of week..
Then piston window will be cut, Piston skirts will be trimmed..
Cases and lower end will take a ride to work with me sometime this week for a bath in the hot tank.. as well.. to prep the lower end for assembly.
Ahhh!! d**n it!!! I was looking forward to seeing this K5 powered mower!!! hahahaha!! Motorrad has been great. I have met few people on this planet as genuine as him. Thanks for all the help "Jedi Master of Machines"!!
Butter me up all you want... Your not getting my Hamel seat..
HAHAHA!! Can I have the other one when you get it back then?
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:-o...........Wow, I can't believe that you came across ANOTHER 98 low hour k5 motor.......what are the odds!! :lol:
I'm going to use the one I'm buying from Motorrad and put it in a riding mower! Five gears on a riding mower! I'm really excited to see what the possibilities are!
I've been pondering over building a KX500 shifter kart.... not sure if i'm giving myself a death sentence with this caliber of project... :-o
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:-o...........Wow, I can't believe that you came across ANOTHER 98 low hour k5 motor.......what are the odds!! :lol:
I'm going to use the one I'm buying from Motorrad and put it in a riding mower! Five gears on a riding mower! I'm really excited to see what the possibilities are!
I've been pondering over building a KX500 shifter kart.... not sure if i'm giving myself a death sentence with this caliber of project... :-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrD1Yu__4b4
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsotWx2HWMY
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Thanks guys, you had to go and post those cool kart vids.... now i'm even closer to taking this project on. (especially where my doctor has advised me to stop dirt riding ) :-(
I actually have almost all the parts to fab a SWEET KX500 kart, my biggest pitfall is how to construct a 428 pitch KX500 countershaft sprocket. Nobody makes one I already did a lot of searching...
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Thanks guys, you had to go and post those cool kart vids.... now i'm even closer to taking this project on. (especially where my doctor has advised me to stop dirt riding ) :-(
I actually have almost all the parts to fab a SWEET KX500 kart, my biggest pitfall is how to construct a 428 pitch KX500 countershaft sprocket. Nobody makes one I already did a lot of searching...
Have you tried "Sidewinder"? Part of their service I believe is custom sprockets and chains.
http://www.sidewindersprockets.com/
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Transfer ports Matched and cleaned up now.. all port hights matched, few intake mods I like to do. etc. Like I said.. Only minor clean up of flaws on this jug.. nothing crazy
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/DSC_6965.jpg)
and Jug Laped tonight... Nice and flat!.. pics dont do it justice.. and the dark spots are from it still being wet from washing off the compound..
few pits around the fire ring.. but with the gasket being 88mm... its within the gasket hole.. not going to worry about them. as it will take a trip across the flycutter to get them out...
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/DSC_6960.jpg)
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Gonna drop off my suspension with George over at ESP in La Cresenta, Ca to be re-sprung, re-valved, re-built!!!......I'm more excited than a 3 year old that found an M&M under the couch!!! :-D
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Gonna drop off my suspension with George over at ESP in La Cresenta, Ca to be re-sprung, re-valved, re-built!!!......I'm more excited than a 3 year old that found an M&M under the couch!!! :-D
Just dont try to stick it up your nose... :roll:
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Gonna drop off my suspension with George over at ESP in La Cresenta, Ca to be re-sprung, re-valved, re-built!!!......I'm more excited than a 3 year old that found an M&M under the couch!!! :-D
Just dont try to stick it up your nose... :roll:
Oh crap!!!.......too late!!!! :-D.......still good though
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OK.....this is and isn't about my K5 project.....you decide......
I spent the evening with my 97 CR250 giving it some attention to its front and rear brakes.....Don't get mad at me or anything but brake fluid should be clear right??? :roll:
The fluid that came out of the bike is the color of dark apple juice and there was so much air in the system that I could have used the brake system as a scuba tank......
I guess thats why the bike didn't stop very well.... :-D....The bike has been riden 3 times in the last 4 years so I should be ashamed of myself.
Then I got to the rear pads and saw that I was about a 2 hour ride away from rubbing metal on metal.....
Here comes the K5 part.....I guess that the K5 rear pads are the same as the rear pads on my CR250....
Why did I not buy new pads you say????...........Well just like my "low hour" motor, the rear pads on the K5 look like they have never even touched the rotor.....LOLLLL :lol: :lol:
So the question is......since the Honda has the pads from my K5, aren't I technically riding my KX500?? :-o
So all said and done, project CR250 "NO BRAKES" is now complete with new pads front and rear and fresh new dot 4 front and rear.
I'm picking up a large amount of cash from a buddy this weekend so project "I was only gonna clean the air filter" is gonna take a huge leap forward to being complete......
PM me if you are interested in sending donations or if you wanna sponsor me.....I'll even put your name on the bike.
Oscar out..... 8-)
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Fresh out of soda blaster...
My name better be on the bike somewhere
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/Motorrad2/d5aca0c4.jpg)
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Fresh out of soda blaster...
My name better be on the bike somewhere
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/Motorrad2/d5aca0c4.jpg)
Get some "Motorrad" stickers made and I'll run em...... :-D
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My Forks and Shock are back from ESP and they look and feel great.....cant wait to ride on them!! The project has got momentum!! Come on people, cheer me on!! :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/forks.jpg)
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Woo hoo! Congrats! Can't wait for the ride report.
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My Forks and Shock are back from ESP and they look and feel great.....cant wait to ride on them!! The project has got momentum!! Come on people, cheer me on!! :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/forks.jpg)
How come one of the decals is upside down? An ex-Navy mechanic notices that kind of stuff! Just kidding and good luck with your build!
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My Forks and Shock are back from ESP and they look and feel great.....cant wait to ride on them!! The project has got momentum!! Come on people, cheer me on!! :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/forks.jpg)
How come one of the decals is upside down? An ex-Navy mechanic notices that kind of stuff! Just kidding and good luck with your build!
I am not an ex-Marine......I am a Former Marine....
You are not ex-Navy.......You are Former Navy..... :-D
Thanks everyone.....the beast will live again soon...
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a bunch of motor parts fell off my bench today... OOPS..
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a bunch of motor parts fell off my bench today... OOPS..
Don't worry.....I won't tell your pop that you dropped his Bultaco crank...... :-D
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My Forks and Shock are back from ESP and they look and feel great.....cant wait to ride on them!! The project has got momentum!! Come on people, cheer me on!! :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/forks.jpg)
How come one of the decals is upside down? An ex-Navy mechanic notices that kind of stuff! Just kidding and good luck with your build!
I am not an ex-Marine......I am a Former Marine....
You are not ex-Navy.......You are Former Navy..... :-D
Thanks everyone.....the beast will live again soon...
We had Navy MH53Es' when I was on the USS Tripoli during the Persian Gulf War. They were set up for mine sweeping operations. We started out with the Marine stuff and an airwing at first but then off loaded you guys at the begining of the war. Once all you Marines were gone they turned us into a mine sweeping ship and brought the Navy MH53Es' aboard. Way more to the story but I'll save it for some other time!
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=uss+tripoli&view=detail&id=8CAB95DDB353DC1B354672A6EA6C55B3E4DDC0DA&first=0&qpvt=uss+tripoli&FORM=IDFRIR
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bultaco crank fell off the bench into a motor last week..
Your motor parts fell off the bench
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Sorry not the greatest pictures but..........ITS GETTING THERE!!!
I know I need new tires but once my suspension went on I couldn't resist seeing my baby on its wheels after over 2 years!! :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/itscoming.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/itscoming2.jpg)
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looking good!:-D
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Lookin good..
Got a call some more of your parts showed up at Kawasaki.. Hopefully the one bearing is there I'm waiting on to slap the cases together..
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/Motorrad2/330e8b06.jpg)
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Hmm.. which way is up on a piston again? the solid end goes down right?
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Hmm.. which way is up on a piston again? the solid end goes down right?
WOW!! You are really clueless aren't you?!.......
Everyone knows that you put it in sideways and it will find its spot!! Duh!! :wink:
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Hmm.. which way is up on a piston again? the solid end goes down right?
WOW!! You are really clueless aren't you?!.......
Everyone knows that you put it in sideways and it will find its spot!! Duh!! :wink:
That makes So much scense now!! That's why we are WINDOW piston mod.. The window is for the rod to go through!! GENIOUS!!
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Hmm.. which way is up on a piston again? the solid end goes down right?
WOW!! You are really clueless aren't you?!.......
Everyone knows that you put it in sideways and it will find its spot!! Duh!! :wink:
That makes So much scense now!! That's why we are WINDOW piston mod.. The window is for the rod to go through!! GENIOUS!!
Thats what I'm here for......and make sure you torque the drain plug to the appropriate 230 ft lbs of torque.....we don't want any leaks now do we......... :-D
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Snappd a picture of you giving your sheep a ride today...
(http://dali.feld.cvut.cz/kecy/upload/obrazky/redneck.jpg)
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Snappd a picture of you giving your sheep a ride today...
(http://dali.feld.cvut.cz/kecy/upload/obrazky/redneck.jpg)
the front end was lacking "feel" in the corners.......I thought the extra weight might have provided me better feed back from the front during HARD breaking..... :-D
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More progress!!!! :-D
OK here goes.....My compulsive nature has never really let me mix and match parts to make a "Frankenstein" bike but there is a first time for everything.
Here is the bike so far......the front fender is for an 05 KX250 (KX500 front plate did not need trimming)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0223122043.jpg)
The front brake master cylinder and steel braided brake line are from an 01 CR250 (for CR style routing
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0223122122.jpg)
The fork guards used are for an 05-06 RMZ 450 (for the brake line clamp mount)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0223122036.jpg)
The Suzuki fork guards were used for a few reasons.....
For one, they are larger than the KX500 fork guards, and with the CR style routing I needed the mount for the brake line clamp. Here is a picture of the KX500 fork guard next to the already mounted RM fork gaurds....another good point to mention is that the Acerbis RM fork guards are made from very dense, thick plastic and are rigid enough that the top fork guard guide is not necessary.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0223122037.jpg)
The RM fork guards are almost a plug and play upgrade. In order to make them work I had to do a little trimming and spacing......not a whole lot of work and effort was needed to make them work though.
The front holes line up close enough to bolt right up however the side bolt hole ends up to far back. To fix this I had to add some 1/8 inch little spacers to the front mounts and the side bolt hole lines up perfect.
Here is where the spacers were added (picture taken looking down the fork tube behind the fork guard)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/forkguardspacers.jpg)
Believe it or not I pulled the spacers from the old KX500 fork guards....hahaha!!! The old fork gaurds come with some metal inserts which I pulled out to use as spacers......The picture below shows the empy holes from which they came.....
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_0223122046.jpg)
Next came some trimming.....I had to use a dremmel to cut away where the "old" brake line mount came in contact with the "new" brake side fork gaurd
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/forkguardtrim2-1.jpg)
The KX500 brake line clamp was just a bit tight to go on so I also had to do some "very slight" trimming at the brake line mount on the new fork guard......but not very much!!
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/forkguardtrim1-1.jpg)
Although both fork guards needed the 1/8 inch spacing to mount up, all the minor trimming that took place was only to the brake side fork guard. I myself like the way it all came out.
The insanity continues on year 3 of project "I was only gonna clean the air filter"!!
On a side note: The Renthal Fat Bar is now obviously mounted along with the ASV levers and GPR damper...My brand new FMF Desert Gnarly and Turbine Core II silencer showed up in the mail as well..... :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/fmfpipensilencer.jpg)
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Looks sweet! I was wondering about the fork guard trick you've done just the other day nice to see it can be done & thanks for the pointers
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I got bored today so I decided to mount up the pipe and silencer to the bike (no engine yet).....then I had an idea. You see, I'm not quite sure exactly what I need to get this bike on the trail. SO, I mounted the radiators, tank, seat.....pretty much everything I have for the bike right now. Here is the tally of what I need (not want :-D) to get this thing on the trail (minus the engine, thats coming soon via Motorrad & USMC 500 performance build 8-))......
rear fender
radiator shrouds
side number plates
airbox rear tire mud flap thingy
chain
grips
front and rear brake pads
air filter...........
Holy @#$%.......thats not much!!!......So I just ordered a few things from my good friend ebay...
EK 114 link oring chain
Pro Taper "Pillow Top" grips
Front & Rear "Sintered HH brake pads
UNI 2-stage air filter
With all these goodies on the way, all I NEED to ride (other than the motor) are all the plastics from the radiators back!!
Now my "WANTS" list is a little bigger......but that will take some more time and money. Besides, what fun is it if I can't continue to buy little things here and there once the bike is done. :wink:
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Lets talk tires........After reading around I think I'll be going with a Maxxis Desert IT in the rear (unless someone thinks otherwise) since it wears like a a block of iron....the front is where I'm drawing a blank. I'll be riding mostly desert terrain but occasional single track. I've read all kinds of options for the front, for example...
Maxxis IT, SI
Dunlop 745, 952, 739, 756, 739
Bridgestone blah, blah, blah
Michilen blah, blah, blah
Pirelli blah, blah, blah
And so on.....
Another issue that came up is tire size.....
How does eveyone feel about 80/100 21 fronts vs. 90/100 21 fronts?.........
Its easy to read up on different tires but where better to look for tire info for KX500's than right here on KXRIDERS.....
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the Desert IT rear is good tire.. wears like iron.. the dunlop desert AT wears FAST on a K5...
as for fronts.. the desert IT is SCARY... DONT EVEN CONSIDER IT.
I personaly like the BIG tires BIG REAR. and BIG FRONT..
I run 90/100 on everything..
which leaves you at choices.
I have run the maxxis SX wears fast, technically a hardpack tire... kind of skiddery in the sand..
I have run the Mitchalin starcross .. also a hardpack tire.. better than the maxxis.. but leaves some to be desired.
now for dunlopped.. the new MX51 is mounted on the KTM. havnt tryed it yet (a intermediat tire)..
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alot of the local desert fellers are saying the MX71 (hardpack) is working better here local D38.. which seems odd to me..
its all how you like the bike to handle.. alot of local guys run the pirrelli 80/100 and swear by them..
for me.. both my big bikes REQUIRE the big tire to keep the geometry correct (trail numbers).. or they turn "trials bike" like..
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Maxxis IT rear its is......
??????? 90/100-21 front it is.....hahaha
Thanks for the info Motorrad........Let me know how that MX51 goes.....I am torn between the Maxxis SI and both the Dunlop MX51 and MX71. I guess half the fun is experimentation with tires....haha
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hey usmc,
great build youve got going here. Ive been very curious about that desert pipe you just bought. my bike came with the gold series which i think is like the gnarly woods and im now runnin the stocker, which is much better now but I think a little more top end would better suit my riding style. which pipe were you runnin before this one? Anyone else with pipe knowledge could throw out info also.
I know how to use the search function but no one seems to have real in depth discussions about the exact differences between these. guess im curious why you decided on this model. thanks a lot
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Hey Quickrip,
If you look at the top mounting tab of your pipe you'll see the part number....
020055 is the FMF Woods Gnarly pipe which according to some of our more experienced members will fall on its face after 5000 rpm...
020038 is the FMF Desert Gnarly pipe which will give you the top end that you will be searching for. I was running an FMF Fatty before I took the bike apart because thats what it came with. I could not tell you about performance because the bike was running like a turtles @$$ before I took it apart. I also have my stocker and once I run my Desert Gnarly I might run the stocker just to compare. If you want some real world advice you can PM Motorrad. He has some deep knowledge on KX500 performance with different set ups.
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Its getting there!! A new UNI air filter is among the parts that are on their way to my front door and since this whole ordeal started 3 years ago because I was only gonna clean the air filter I think it will be fitting that the last part to go on the bike should be.........the air filter :-D
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Take a good last look...
Cases get slapped together Tonight..
I forgot to take pics..
But the cases, and base gasket surface are all LAPPED together using that Timesaver compound... for a PERFECT fit...
Everyone else laps their cases and base right? :wink:
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/bolt2.jpg)
Also... chucked a bolt in the lathe. and made you a 'Modded' Kips bolt today also..
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/bolt.jpg)
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USMC: I have a Dunlop MX51 "90" x 100 on my KX450. That has been the best front tire so far. I tried 2 of the Maxxis Si's on the front. Not that great in deep sandwashes, but they wore a long time. I went to the shop last friday for an 80 x 100 for the 500. The trail riders were saying the smaller tire had better feel for turning. Well, the shop wanted $85... No way. I bought a Bridgestone 403 in the 80 size for $65. Then, on the craigs list I find a girl with a KXF250 that bought the MX 51 x 90, but it was too big. Got it for $40 with just 2 rides on it. I put that one on the 500. Going to test this weekend. I am very particular about front end steering, I will see how it goes. Got the 403 for back up. Forgot, I did like the Bridgestone M59 but the sidewalls were too weak. Going to the desert and will report back. Don
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USMC: I have a Dunlop MX51 "90" x 100 on my KX450. That has been the best front tire so far. I tried 2 of the Maxxis Si's on the front. Not that great in deep sandwashes, but they wore a long time. I went to the shop last friday for an 80 x 100 for the 500. The trail riders were saying the smaller tire had better feel for turning. Well, the shop wanted $85... No way. I bought a Bridgestone 403 in the 80 size for $65. Then, on the craigs list I find a girl with a KXF250 that bought the MX 51 x 90, but it was too big. Got it for $40 with just 2 rides on it. I put that one on the 500. Going to test this weekend. I am very particular about front end steering, I will see how it goes. Got the 403 for back up. Forgot, I did like the Bridgestone M59 but the sidewalls were too weak. Going to the desert and will report back. Don
Thats what I love to hear abotu the MX51... how is it for wear? I tossed it on my dual sport bike.. 345Lb bike before you add 7.5 gal of fuel on the front end...
needless to say... I test tires on it first... if they work good on it... they work like GOLD on anything else...
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try the Duro tires. got mine at rocky mountain atv mc for $110 for both front and rear. i have used every tire known to man, some new but most as hand me downs from racers that change tires more often than me. dont be fooled by price, these are great tires. they come in intermediate and soft compound. i got the soft and have raced on them 5 times now and rode 3 hours in the desert. they show very little wear. excellent traction in wet sand. anyways............thats what i got on at the moment. i will for sure buy these tires again.
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I think I'm down to either a Maxxis SI front or the Dunlop MX51 front......Either way I'll run a 90/100-21 size. Hey ELRUKO, when you get back I'd like to know how the Maxxis SI performed under high speed, and how the MX51 performed overall on your KX500......Thanks for your input ELRUKO, thanks to Dave for all his countless help and thanks to eveyone here at KX Riders for all your words and encouragment!!!
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Hey people......question.......other than the 2 orings on the pipe is there any other seals or gaskets that should go where the pipe insterts into the jug. I know that on my CR there is a metal ring that goes on before the pipe.
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Hey people......question.......other than the 2 orings on the pipe is there any other seals or gaskets that should go where the pipe insterts into the jug. I know that on my CR there is a metal ring that goes on before the pipe.
yes... a copper one... between the pipe and the Jug...
can run more than one for tuning purpose... :wink:
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Sooooooooooo.............should I run just one, or two, or 20?.....I'm just asking because I gotta order one I guess. I tore this thing apart so long ago that I can't remember if it had one or if the original owner (idiot) even had one in. :-D
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Sooooooooooo.............should I run just one, or two, or 20?.....I'm just asking because I gotta order one I guess. I tore this thing apart so long ago that I can't remember if it had one or if the original owner (idiot) even had one in. :-D
12,350,256 should do the trick......
:-D
Let me look in my Pile-O-Kx500 ... I may have one for you.... (yes one)
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That is the exact number I thought and i have every single one of them on order........lets see.....12,350,256 x 3.99 each = $49,277,521.44.....wow, this project just got real expensive :-o
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Workign on the Primary side today..
:-D :-D :-D all primary gears are currently takign a ride in the Ultrasonic cleaner... :-D :-D :-D
Dont forget to Torque ALL your nuts boys and girls.. the little ones matter most :wink:
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/DSC_7056.jpg)
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I dont know if I ever posted this up..
I USMC 500 asked me "what the hell is that" when he noticed it hanging on my cabinets...
not sure how others hold their clutches while torqing.
but I make these tools for EVERYTHING I own, that I ever have to get into..
what else are you going to do with a Old junk set of clutch disks..... has TONS of contact... no maring etc.
on my "other" bikes ones. they use steel disks.. so I normaly weld a chunk of rebar or somthing to them...
I havnt gotten aroudn to doing that to the KX one yet.. as my breaker bar fits right on it...
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/DSC_7059.jpg)
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When I asked "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!" I was refering to the Justin Bieber CD's sitting on your shelf...... :-D
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When I asked "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!" I was refering to the Justin Bieber CD's sitting on your shelf...... :-D
LOL! He was keeping that a secret. That's why he changed the subject to torquing your small nuts and about his special tool. :P
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When I asked "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?!" I was refering to the Justin Bieber CD's sitting on your shelf...... :-D
LOL! He was keeping that a secret. That's why he changed the subject to torquing your small nuts and about his special tool. :P
:lol: :lol:....talk about "handle with care"!!
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Is it bad I had to look up who this Justin Bieber person was?
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pS... Click on the "world" under your avitar :roll:
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pS... Click on the "world" under your avitar :roll:
Note to self........giving a website administrator crap is like playing chicken with a train!! :-D
(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0906/dumbass-demotivational-poster-1243993882.jpg)
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pS... Click on the "world" under your avitar :roll:
Note to self........giving a website administrator crap is like playing chicken with a train!! :-D
(http://www.motifake.com/image/demotivational-poster/0906/dumbass-demotivational-poster-1243993882.jpg)
Your lucky we are having avitar coding issues... (uploading)..
I was going to change your avitar to this...
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/77746-justin-bieber-heart-balloon.jpg)
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Current state of the motor...
Somehow I ended up with 2 extra gears... anyone know where they go?
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/DSC_7068.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/DSC_7065.jpg)
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The factory puts "spares" in the cases just in case you need them.......kinda like the way they provide exta fuses in cars just in case one blows. :-D
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The factory puts "spares" in the cases just in case you need them.......kinda like the way they provide exta fuses in cars just in case one blows. :-D
I always used Live 22LR ammo for fuses...
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Oh... I should have taken before and after pics of all the primary gears... going through the ultrasonic cleaner... HOLY CRAP. there was lots of junk on them..
also.
Ran all the clutch hub etc through to get all the alum particals out.
then decided to run the clutch disks through..
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wowsa you should have seen all the crud that came out of the disks..
bet you have the cleanest used clutch plates in the world..
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If you think that all those parts had lots of crud on them, you should see my toothbrush :-o
:lol:
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The factory puts "spares" in the cases just in case you need them.......kinda like the way they provide exta fuses in cars just in case one blows. :-D
Come on and tell the truth Osc.....
Motorad he had heard enough about the O.D. fifth gear....he now has a 6 speed! :-o
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The factory puts "spares" in the cases just in case you need them.......kinda like the way they provide exta fuses in cars just in case one blows. :-D
Come on and tell the truth Osc.....
Motorad he had heard enough about the O.D. fifth gear....he now has a 6 speed! :-o
combining my Yamaha R1 bottom end with a K5 top end is a thing of beauty. :-D
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The factory puts "spares" in the cases just in case you need them.......kinda like the way they provide exta fuses in cars just in case one blows. :-D
Come on and tell the truth Osc.....
Motorad he had heard enough about the O.D. fifth gear....he now has a 6 speed! :-o
I already have a OD 5th... I now have a OVER OVER drive 6th :-D
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Get rid of the R1 before it taints the kawi!!!
Motorrad are you sure you didn't throw gears from another engine in there? I'll see if I can find my manual.
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Get rid of the R1 before it taints the kawi!!!
Motorrad are you sure you didn't throw gears from another engine in there? I'll see if I can find my manual.
I used the manual from my Honda XL100.. he said he didnt want it too fast.. so I figured if I used the manual from a bike that makes about 7HP.. he should be safe... :|
actually.. joking aside... I didnt use the manual once for oscars motor :-D
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XL100 is close to the same thing right? lol
For the record I only consult the manual when I'm having an issue or when I need torque specs. I've been tinkering with bikes too long to need step by step instructions so I understand Motorrad.
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Get rid of the R1 before it taints the kawi!!!
Motorrad are you sure you didn't throw gears from another engine in there? I'll see if I can find my manual.
I used the manual from my Honda XL100.. he said he didnt want it too fast.. so I figured if I used the manual from a bike that makes about 7HP.. he should be safe... :|
actually.. joking aside... I didnt use the manual once for oscars motor :-D
Motorrad don't need no manual because he is a mechanical god!!
His buisness card reads "I'll call you"
His sweat is used as ladies perfume in some countries
When country singers write songs about him, his dog never dies, his wife doesn't leave him, and his pick up truck ALWAYS runs right.....
He is.....................The most interesting dude in the world!!!!!!
OK so can you remove the Justin Bieber thingy now? :-D hahaha!!
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Get rid of the R1 before it taints the kawi!!!
Motorrad are you sure you didn't throw gears from another engine in there? I'll see if I can find my manual.
I used the manual from my Honda XL100.. he said he didnt want it too fast.. so I figured if I used the manual from a bike that makes about 7HP.. he should be safe... :|
actually.. joking aside... I didnt use the manual once for oscars motor :-D
Motorrad don't need no manual because he is a mechanical god!!
His buisness card reads "I'll call you"
His sweat is used as ladies perfume in some countries
When country singers write songs about him, his dog never dies, his wife doesn't leave him, and his pick up truck ALWAYS runs right.....
He is.....................The most interesting dude in the world!!!!!!
OK so can you remove the Justin Bieber thingy now? :-D hahaha!!
oKAY.
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Get rid of the R1 before it taints the kawi!!!
Motorrad are you sure you didn't throw gears from another engine in there? I'll see if I can find my manual.
I used the manual from my Honda XL100.. he said he didnt want it too fast.. so I figured if I used the manual from a bike that makes about 7HP.. he should be safe... :|
actually.. joking aside... I didnt use the manual once for oscars motor :-D
Motorrad don't need no manual because he is a mechanical god!!
His buisness card reads "I'll call you"
His sweat is used as ladies perfume in some countries
When country singers write songs about him, his dog never dies, his wife doesn't leave him, and his pick up truck ALWAYS runs right.....
He is.....................The most interesting dude in the world!!!!!!
OK so can you remove the Justin Bieber thingy now? :-D hahaha!!
oKAY.
Sooooooo, I just traded a kick in the ballz for a kick to the face.........I'm good with that. :lol:
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LMAO! I love this site. Never fails to put a smile on my face or make me laugh so hard it hurts.
Can't seem to locate my manual. It's probably in storage. I'm on a quest to find it though. That is the most important book I own.
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Get rid of the R1 before it taints the kawi!!!
Motorrad are you sure you didn't throw gears from another engine in there? I'll see if I can find my manual.
I used the manual from my Honda XL100.. he said he didnt want it too fast.. so I figured if I used the manual from a bike that makes about 7HP.. he should be safe... :|
actually.. joking aside... I didnt use the manual once for oscars motor :-D
Motorrad don't need no manual because he is a mechanical god!!
His buisness card reads "I'll call you"
His sweat is used as ladies perfume in some countries
When country singers write songs about him, his dog never dies, his wife doesn't leave him, and his pick up truck ALWAYS runs right.....
He is.....................The most interesting dude in the world!!!!!!
OK so can you remove the Justin Bieber thingy now? :-D hahaha!!
oKAY.
Sooooooo, I just traded a kick in the ballz for a kick to the face.........I'm good with that. :lol:
Fine Fine.. I changed it to one that is more "fitting"
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Better keep the airfilter clean now...
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Better keep the airfilter clean now...
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I have a brand "spankin" new air filter still in the bag........This one is gonna stay REAL clean.... :-D
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OOOOOOOOO Pretty!!! Drool
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Rumor around the water cooler is your Jug should be finished plating this week..... :wink:
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Cool......bike over here is pretty much done......Just need one more little itty bitty detail......MOTOR!! :lol:
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Cool......bike over here is pretty much done......Just need one more little itty bitty detail......MOTOR!! :lol:
Been doing the same as me then..
sitting on my thumb waiting for parts...
Your head is front left.
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me tooo!!!!
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me tooo!!!!
haha.. seems to run in the circle..
Did you get the MSG that USMC wants a Lightened MZB ignition?
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Yeah!! USMC wants a lightened MZB ignition!! :-D I don't know why but it seems like the right thing to do!!
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Yes, it is always the right thing to do. I am on it. We just got a new lathe set up to cut our own flywheels. This should cut down on lag time. We hope to have them done this Saturday. Just got home from Moab. Been gone a week, now to play catch up.
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I was just contacted by the local authorities.. they asked me to shut down this thread / Project.. as they just discovered one guy that has been watching it non-stop since it was first started. Attached are some pictures of him...
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I'm not quite dead yet. (Monty Python Joke for you guys that don't know) :P
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I'm not quite dead yet. (Monty Python Joke for you guys that don't know) :P
(http://www.thommitchell.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/bring_out_your_dead3-400x397.jpg)
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So project "I was only gonna clean the air filter" is almost at an end.....Bike itself is complete and all that is left to do is recieve the jug in the mail and put the motor in. Once the K5 is running, then what? Well I had a great idea while I was in my office (bathroom) "thinking" about stuff :roll:. I am gonna build me an AF.....but it will be a CR500AF...
Now before you tear into me, here are my reasons....
Reason 1 is that I already have a running 1997 CR250 (Gen 1 frame).
Reason 2 is even better. Wether its a KX or CR AF conversion it usually involves lots of frame cutting and modification. Well with the Gen 1 CR250 frames there is no major mods needed. The only cutting that is needed is cutting off the front motor mounts and welding on some new small mounts. the swing arm needs some spacers made, the lower motor mounts line up perfect, and the upper head stay needs new brackets made. There is a company that makes all the necessary mounts for this conversion for like $100 bucks. The section on the front of the frame that you normally have to cut off and raise up to clear the pipe is already high enough to clear. Again, NO MAJOR FRAME MODS NEEDED!!! CR500 pipes almost mount up perfect...all you need to do is cut off and relocate the rear mounting tab that bolts the pipe to the rear of the frame.....no big deal, I don't have to have a pipe custom made or pay Service Honda big $$$ for a pipe.
I know that eveyone says the the CR250 Gen 1 frames were too stiff and not the greatest.....however the rigid frame should be perfect for a CR500. Not to mention that I just spent some cash on new graphics, rebuilt suspension and other details to freshen up my CR250......
All I need now is a motor. So if anyone knows of a CR500 doner bike or CR500 motor, carb, and electronics sitting around let me know. I want to do this on a budget to see just how cheap I can build and AF for and I've seen cosmetic wise "beat up" CR500's on craigslist for like $800 bucks in the past. Please keep your peepers open especially if you are in the state of California.
At the same time, I will have a CR250 motor, carb and electronics up for grabs.
Here are some pictures I found online of a 97 CR250 AF.....
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So what does everyone think? :-D
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so I got the ball rolling!! I have an ad on Los Angeles Ca, craigslist and Bakersfield, Ca craigslist. I won't yank the motor and electronics out of the CR until I get an offer ( i hope ). Project "I was bored and decided to make a CR500AF to match Project I was only gonna clean the air filter" coming soon to a theater near you. :evil: Below are the pictures of my 1997CR250, canidate for CR500AF.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/CR500AF/cr2501.jpg)
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http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/mcy/2921568074.html
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so I got the ball rolling!! I have an ad on Los Angeles Ca, craigslist and Bakersfield, Ca craigslist. I won't yank the motor and electronics out of the CR until I get an offer ( i hope ).
Yup thats the idea right there. :-D. Getting the whole bike also helps in that you have ridden it & can tell that the motor is not catastrophized.
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Except,,,,,, he is keeping the engine and electronics :-(
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Except,,,,,, he is keeping the engine and electronics :-(
Nope.....It all goes......engine, electronics, carb.......is there something on the ad that states otherwise? If so let me know so I can change it. :-D
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I think he was referring to the ad alward25 posted about the cr500 that guys keeping the motor
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OOOHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Gottcha!! My Bad!!!! :-D
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Sorry about that, yeah I was referring to the bike in Portland.
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oh
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Update on Project CR500AF.........within a week of pulling my cr250 motor and putting it up on craigslist......today was about fate......In the same day I got a call from a fellow that wanted my 250 motor and I found a guy that didn't know the value of the CR500 motor in his garage......The following took place within 2 hours of one another.
Drove down to Bakersfield to meet the dude that gave me $500 bucks for my 97 CR250 motor, carb, electronics
Then Drove up to Visalia to meet the dude that sold me his CR500 motor, carb, electronics for $700.
Looking around craigslist and ebay I cannot find a CR motor, carb, and electronics for under $1500, and a complete running bike for under $2000. I think I did ok.
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Update on Project CR500AF.........within a week of pulling my cr250 motor and putting it up on craigslist......today was about fate......In the same day I got a call from a fellow that wanted my 250 motor and I found a guy that didn't know the value of the CR500 motor in his garage......The following took place within 2 hours of one another.
Drove down to Bakersfield to meet the dude that gave me $500 bucks for my 97 CR250 motor, carb, electronics
Then Drove up to Visalia to meet the dude that sold me his CR500 motor, carb, electronics for $700.
Looking around craigslist and ebay I cannot find a CR motor, carb, and electronics for under $1500, and a complete running bike for under $2000. I think I did ok.
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you can get complete bikes here for less than a grand those ebay prices don't mean s**t 99.9% of the cr500 and kx500 motors people want 1000-1500$ for just sit there and don't sell I'm about to buy another k5 for 900$ very clean and runs strong but with the prices everyone wants for their stuff these days I think you did pretty good finding one for half the price those the thieves want on ebay
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Awesome, Glad your trading worked out for you, cant wait to see the CR build
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Update on Project CR500AF.........within a week of pulling my cr250 motor and putting it up on craigslist......today was about fate......In the same day I got a call from a fellow that wanted my 250 motor and I found a guy that didn't know the value of the CR500 motor in his garage......The following took place within 2 hours of one another.
Drove down to Bakersfield to meet the dude that gave me $500 bucks for my 97 CR250 motor, carb, electronics
Then Drove up to Visalia to meet the dude that sold me his CR500 motor, carb, electronics for $700.
Looking around craigslist and ebay I cannot find a CR motor, carb, and electronics for under $1500, and a complete running bike for under $2000. I think I did ok.
(http://my2wheels.com/forum/images/smilies/mysmilies/worthless.gif)
My CR500AF project does not belong on this site......however............You can read on that full build if you like at the BannedCR500Riders site. My project there will be titled.....Project "YEAH ITS A GEN 1, SO WHAT?"......here is the link.....http://www.bannedcr500riders.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=136715#136715 (http://www.bannedcr500riders.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=136715#136715).....Once again, a BIG thanks to Danger4U for your help.
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Update on Project CR500AF.........within a week of pulling my cr250 motor and putting it up on craigslist......today was about fate......In the same day I got a call from a fellow that wanted my 250 motor and I found a guy that didn't know the value of the CR500 motor in his garage......The following took place within 2 hours of one another.
Drove down to Bakersfield to meet the dude that gave me $500 bucks for my 97 CR250 motor, carb, electronics
Then Drove up to Visalia to meet the dude that sold me his CR500 motor, carb, electronics for $700.
Looking around craigslist and ebay I cannot find a CR motor, carb, and electronics for under $1500, and a complete running bike for under $2000. I think I did ok.
(http://my2wheels.com/forum/images/smilies/mysmilies/worthless.gif)
My CR500AF project does not belong on this site......however............You can read on that full build if you like at the BannedCR500Riders site. My project there will be titled.....Project "YEAH ITS A GEN 1, SO WHAT?"......here is the link.....http://www.bannedcr500riders.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=136715#136715 (http://www.bannedcr500riders.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=136715#136715).....Once again, a BIG thanks to Danger4U for your help.
or you could do a build thread on here also.. in the "other rides" section... so I dont have to go to a "honda" website.
PS.. you weighed less in 1997
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I know.....I was thin and sexy back then......now I'm husky and sexy!!! :-D Very well, I'll post up in the other rides section as well....Glad I thought of it first....lolll
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There is a 500cc race going on right now in my garage!! Kawasaki vs. Honda, KX vs. CR, Steel Frame vs. Aluminum Frame, 1997 vs. 1998, Powervalve vs. Non-Powervalve, 499cc vs. 491cc (.020 over), Green vs. Red!!
The KX chassis is done but waiting on a motor.....
The CR motor is done but waiting on a chassis.....
WHO WILL WIN??!!
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I think you should just throw the towel in on the KX and part it out! lol :-D
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I think you should just throw the towel in on the KX and part it out! lol :-D
WOW.... Low Blow...
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I think you should just throw the towel in on the KX and part it out! lol :-D
WOW.... Low Blow...
I'd part it out in a heart beat.....however doing so would saturate the market with good quality items and instantly DE-VALUE the parts and accessories of other makes and models.... :-D
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Flacid Member :lol: I think a Motoraider got you
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Flacid Member :lol: I think a Motoraider got you
LOLL......yeah he did.....life can sure suck sometimes!! :lol:
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:| :| :| Okay.. time to get this one rocking again.. :| :| :|
now that everything is on the bench... (minus 1 flywheel)...
Jug got rejected from plate 2-3 times... Glad they were anal about their work.. I prefer that over anything else.. (perhapse they knew it would be in my hands in the end? :lol: )
Looking at it... I think the plating process made a crack show up at the exahust bridge, where they do.. (casting seam).
they welded it up and finished it off nice..
the BIG ASS cracks in the intake briges are now gone.. and look very nice.
I need to re-port some stuff from them welding on the jug... no big deal (sharpen dividers back up again)..
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I just made a mess in my shorts!!............I'm so ashamed....... :-D
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Making small pieces of metal... out of bigger pieces of metal..
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A storm rolled through the garage... and SNOWED PISTON everywhere...
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Piston going for a Ride..... (http://www.feelnumb.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/jj-fad.jpg)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3nPLoODtGU&feature=related
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Hope it runs better than that honda you found on a garage floor... :roll:
(Yes. that is just snapped with a point and shoot camera... No camera tricks, or photoshop)
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Wrist pin clips pointing UP... check.....
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Just incase you care to know what it was.......
And the bore checks to EXACTLY 86mm with my bore gauge.. (perfect) Sorry no picture of that...
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Hmm -0.0045" deck hight :|
good thing you didnt just slap it together with that head of yours... You would have had issues...
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The fix... Your a lucky boy that I have more Kx500 gaskets than Kawasaki.... (all in any thickness you want)...
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/IMG_0074.jpg)
I left your CLY next to some miricle grow... and the Exh port grew... By just over .125'
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OOOH..
Shiny kips parts.. :-D
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Since noone cares. I gave the motor to the local scrap collector.. He should get atleast $20 for that 50lb lump
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Sounds like you robbed that poor schmuck, aint no $20 in scrap beer cans there. Left him to haul off your trash is more like it. :wink:
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I know you're not fond of 4-stroke motors but you kinda needed it for your trip didn't you? :-D
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I know you're not fond of 4-stroke motors but you kinda needed it for your trip didn't you? :-D
fine.. ill take the CT175 yamaha.. :-P
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Very nice!
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So much awesome..... So little time....
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So much awesome..... So little time....
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"HOLY STEAMY PILES OF DOGs**t BATMAN!!" :-o
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in the small ammount of free time I had today..
Head is on..
ignition is on.. (flywheel needs to be set.)
Cleaned up ignition cover.
intake is on.
Carb is in the ultrasonic going for a ride...
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Oh yea..
needed one more thing... the motorrad "flying M" stamp of approval.
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Is that a PVL ignition system your using ? i'm blind and can't tell by the pics. That build is looking SWEET best of luck !
Rich
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very nice! looks like your coming into the homestretch!! can't wait to see the finished project
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in the small ammount of free time I had today..
Head is on..
ignition is on.. (flywheel needs to be set.)
Cleaned up ignition cover.
intake is on.
Carb is in the ultrasonic going for a ride...
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/IMG_0103.jpg)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/IMG_0104.jpg)
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Oh yea..
needed one more thing... the motorrad "flying M" stamp of approval.
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/IMG_0112.jpg)
Hey Dave......you've been great dude.....It's a privilage to run the Motorrad "M" on my jug......If you can get some stickers made up I'll run them on the bike along side the "KXRiders" sticker!!
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Is that a PVL ignition system your using ? i'm blind and can't tell by the pics. That build is looking SWEET best of luck !
Rich
MZB from alward. With the light 26oz flywheel...
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Timing.
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Flywheel weight.
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Setting fuel level.. Yours was WAY WAY WAY OFF
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AND WHALA
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SO WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO GET THIS PIECE OF s**t OFF MY BENCH?
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If he aint got it off of there yet, I'm on on my way. I'll be happy to RECYCLE that for ya. Dang that ignition looks sweet
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How does a "pick up" next Sunday sound to you brother? I can't wait to ride my KX500 for the first time.....and I say "first time" because even when it ran before the air filter got dirty, it ran like ass!! And for you Mr. Motorrad, for all your help I've got a little something for ya........
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/Danny%20Hamel/downsized_0210121842.jpg)
I was given a stack of Danny Hamel "DH" stickers by Danny's dad Roger and a stack of Danny Hamel 1X stickers by Paul Krause back in those days. They are priceless, original, and irriplaceable.......And I have a couple of each for you to go with your Danny Hamel pipe and seat. Thanks for all your help brother. We'll go out for a ride once you return from your big ride. 8-)
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Saturday the 9th would be wonderfull....
some final specs on the motor..
Squish: .049"
head cut: 4deg tp 15deg to bowl.. 42CC
Jug raised .020"
12.83:1 compression (un corrected)
windowed piston, skirts cut for transfers
EXH port lowered .125", and widened
Kips bolt mod
Intake etc porting.
MZB light ignition (thank you alex)
New bearings 100%
All new seals
V2 reeds
Kips shimed to perfection.
Thats off the top of my beer drinking head...
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Saturday the 9th it is.......What time? :-D
SO EXCITED!!
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Saturday the 9th it is.......What time? :-D
SO EXCITED!!
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Who took that video of you?
Better bring a note pad to take notes
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Just noticed you said Sunday...... Sunday the 10th works good also
hell any day between now and the 16th... after that.. you have to pick it up from 81cr450, as I drop it off at his house on the way to canada...
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some easy reading...
This is written by a guy name Howard Richards from R.E.D.. Best describes my train of thought... (except I keep better records of compression, leakdown (both pressure and vaccume)
"The purpose of the "break-in" procedure is to GRADUALLY wear down the "high spots" on components such as rings, piston skirts, cylinder walls, bearings and races, etc. after a motor is fitted with new items. ALL machined parts are imperfect to a certain degree and therefore have "high" and "low" areas which must be mated to those that they roll or rub against to achieve a good running fit. Problems can arise however in the process because the mere act of "rubbing down" the high spots creates abnormally high friction. Friction creates heat. Heat creates expansion. Expansion reduces running clearances and increases friction. More friction, more heat, more expansion... Pretty soon you can see that you are rubbing off MORE than high spots on each part resulting in premature part wear (LOW spots). This is what happens when a motor is broken in too aggressively. You end up with a motor that, at the very least, has abnormally LARGE running clearances throughout. Thus you now have an unnecessarily shortened remaining life for your "new" motor accompanied by reduced performance. If the motor is really abused during early "new life" running, the tight initial clearances may get closed up completely due to heat and expansion and the rotating or reciprocating parts will SEIZE. So how to control this "running in and mating" of moving parts becomes the question...
First, before you even start the motor for the first time, do a "cranking pressure" compression test with a good quality, screw-into-the-spark-plug-hole type compression gage. Ignition off, fuel off, throttle held WIDE OPEN. Kick, pull-rope or cycle the electric starter until the gage reaches its' highest reading and stays there. Note the reading and record it. Don't expect a real high number because the rings and cylinder are not mated yet, but you should see at least 100 psi, sometimes much higher depending on the planned compression ratio, port timing (or camshaft profile if it's a four stroke), etc.. Generally speaking, with fuel, air, spark at approximately the correct time, 100 psi gage pressure and exhaust, the motor will run.
I prefer to break-in motors on a petroleum based oil and then switch to a synthetic afterwards (if it's to be done at all). There's lots of opinions on this...... for better or worse, that's mine. My feelings are that "too slippery" an oil will slow down the break-in process too much and I've even seen 600X cross hatched cylinders, chrome and Nikasil bores where the rings never seated and we attributed it to synthetic oils during break-in. If it's a two stroke, you can add a bit of extra pre-mix oil to the fuel, set the oil pump at a slightly higher than normal base setting, or both for the first tank of fuel, but I'd use a petroleum based oil.
OK. Start the motor and allow it to run at approximately 1500 rpm or so. Shut the choke off absolutely ASAP! The excess fuel that the choke supplies can wash the oil film off the cylinder walls (oil injection) and overheat the ring faces quickly, especially in a four stroke. ALWAYS shut the choke off ASAP on ANY motor for this same reason. NEVER let a motor run for long periods with the choke on to warm it up. NEVER ride, drive, fly or place under load any motor driven device with the choke on. It is a quick route to early death for the rings.
Check immediately for oil and compression leaks around the various gasket sealing locations. ANY LEAKS should be fixed immediately, especially head, base or exhaust gasket areas. If there are none, hold your hand against the cylinder and GENTLY vary the engine speed in neutral between approximately 1500 and 2500 rpm. DO NOT OVER REV! There is no "load" on the engine and over revving is very tough on crankshaft, bearings, etc.! When the engine is warm enough to be uncomfortable on your hand, shut it off. Again check for any leaks. Now let the motor cool down to COLD. THEN, carefully re-torque the head(s) at this time.
Now you're ready for your first ride/drive/flight/whatever. Start the motor and warm-up gently exactly as before. When the motor is uncomfortably warm on your hand, stab her in gear and gently accelerate through each gear using about 1/3 to 1/2 throttle as a shift point. DO NOT BOG or LUG the motor. DO NOT "cruise" at a steady rpm. Vary the engine speed up and down at all times. DO NOT OVER REV either! When you reach top gear immediately slow down and ride back to your origin doing the same thing. Limit your initial ride time to 5 to 10 minutes maximum, all the while touching the cylinder frequently with your hand to sense drastic overheating. ANY signs of excessive heating or abnormal engine noises require immediate SHUT DOWN and investigation/cure of the culprit. If in doubt, DO NOT ride/drive/fly back to the garage and then shut it off... TOW it back! When you're done with the initial ride, let it cool down to COLD again.
Continue this procedure gradually extending the running time to 10 minutes, then 15 minutes, etc.. You can also gradually get a bit more agressive with throttle application (slightly bigger "handfuls/footfuls" of throttle). Speed up, slow down, constantly varying throttle position and going up and down through the gears. Steady cruising at one engine speed or lugging the motor below its' powerband in a higher gear can cause overheating during break-in... AVOID BOTH! Don't worry so much about too high an rpm as VARYING the rpm. Bursts of throttle allow heating and mild expansion which in turn shaves off those high spots while deceleration allows slight cooling and contraction. Stay away from long hills, carrying a passenger or heavy loads during break-in.
After about an hour total riding/driving/flying time has accumulated, recheck cranking compression. As the rings seat, you will see the readings come up and you will also notice improvements in power delivery. Break-in is essentially complete when the readings peak and no longer get higher as more riding time accumulates. For a two stroke, this is typically one to three hours break-in time.
A four stroke has a superior oiling system and therefore breaks in more slowly. Two to five hundred miles is frequently required to completely break-in a four stroke. For a closely toleranced street four stroke it often takes 1000 to 1500 miles or even more! I dump the oil and filter in a four stroke after the first 75 miles, again at 200 miles, 500 miles, 1000 miles and each 1500 miles thereafter on a street engine. Off road and competition four strokes get fresh oil and filter every one hundred to four hundred miles with me, depending on how hard their running life is after break-in. The initial oil and filter change is done into a clean, light colored, plastic shallow pan so I can see any metal particles that drain out with it. Straining the oil through a clean, white paint filter is excellent practice. You can then drag a magnet through the oil to collect the particles that are ferrous for closer inspection of potential problems. Minor break-in particulate or "dust" is normal. I also cut open the oil filter and lay it out on clean white paper towel to see what it has trapped and again look for any signs of trouble. Yes, it's a lot of fiddling and checking but I find it infinitly preferable to engine catastrophies (and a lot less expensive!).
Once it is broken-in, you can optimize ignition timing and jetting, preferably on a dyno. During break-in keep the fuel/air SLIGHTLY rich and the ignition timing essentially stock, NOT advanced.
Even after break-in is done, always warm up the engine thoroughly before riding/driving/flying per the above procedure to avoid cold engine excessive wear or even possible "cold seizure" on liquid cooled motors (most frequently occurs in marine or snowmobile applications).
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Also forgot to add... I like to do breaking proceedures with the Head mount (head to frame) loose... so the head can move to where it wants to be...
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Yes there will be a test on this.. Multiple choice...
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That is one pretty engine! Always a thrill to see a new completed engine waiting for someone to bring it to life the first time. Very nice!
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The Clock is ticking!!! In less than 48 hours I'll have my motor in my grubby mitts!! :evil:
Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock........
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some easy reading...
This is written by a guy name Howard Richards from R.E.D.. Best describes my train of thought... (except I keep better records of compression, leakdown (both pressure and vaccume)
"The purpose of the "break-in" procedure is to GRADUALLY wear down the "high spots" on components such as rings, piston skirts, cylinder walls, bearings and races, etc. after a motor is fitted with new items. ALL machined parts are imperfect to a certain degree and therefore have "high" and "low" areas which must be mated to those that they roll or rub against to achieve a good running fit. Problems can arise however in the process because the mere act of "rubbing down" the high spots creates abnormally high friction. Friction creates heat. Heat creates expansion. Expansion reduces running clearances and increases friction. More friction, more heat, more expansion... Pretty soon you can see that you are rubbing off MORE than high spots on each part resulting in premature part wear (LOW spots). This is what happens when a motor is broken in too aggressively. You end up with a motor that, at the very least, has abnormally LARGE running clearances throughout. Thus you now have an unnecessarily shortened remaining life for your "new" motor accompanied by reduced performance. If the motor is really abused during early "new life" running, the tight initial clearances may get closed up completely due to heat and expansion and the rotating or reciprocating parts will SEIZE. So how to control this "running in and mating" of moving parts becomes the question...
First, before you even start the motor for the first time, do a "cranking pressure" compression test with a good quality, screw-into-the-spark-plug-hole type compression gage. Ignition off, fuel off, throttle held WIDE OPEN. Kick, pull-rope or cycle the electric starter until the gage reaches its' highest reading and stays there. Note the reading and record it. Don't expect a real high number because the rings and cylinder are not mated yet, but you should see at least 100 psi, sometimes much higher depending on the planned compression ratio, port timing (or camshaft profile if it's a four stroke), etc.. Generally speaking, with fuel, air, spark at approximately the correct time, 100 psi gage pressure and exhaust, the motor will run.
I prefer to break-in motors on a petroleum based oil and then switch to a synthetic afterwards (if it's to be done at all). There's lots of opinions on this...... for better or worse, that's mine. My feelings are that "too slippery" an oil will slow down the break-in process too much and I've even seen 600X cross hatched cylinders, chrome and Nikasil bores where the rings never seated and we attributed it to synthetic oils during break-in. If it's a two stroke, you can add a bit of extra pre-mix oil to the fuel, set the oil pump at a slightly higher than normal base setting, or both for the first tank of fuel, but I'd use a petroleum based oil.
OK. Start the motor and allow it to run at approximately 1500 rpm or so. Shut the choke off absolutely ASAP! The excess fuel that the choke supplies can wash the oil film off the cylinder walls (oil injection) and overheat the ring faces quickly, especially in a four stroke. ALWAYS shut the choke off ASAP on ANY motor for this same reason. NEVER let a motor run for long periods with the choke on to warm it up. NEVER ride, drive, fly or place under load any motor driven device with the choke on. It is a quick route to early death for the rings.
Check immediately for oil and compression leaks around the various gasket sealing locations. ANY LEAKS should be fixed immediately, especially head, base or exhaust gasket areas. If there are none, hold your hand against the cylinder and GENTLY vary the engine speed in neutral between approximately 1500 and 2500 rpm. DO NOT OVER REV! There is no "load" on the engine and over revving is very tough on crankshaft, bearings, etc.! When the engine is warm enough to be uncomfortable on your hand, shut it off. Again check for any leaks. Now let the motor cool down to COLD. THEN, carefully re-torque the head(s) at this time.
Now you're ready for your first ride/drive/flight/whatever. Start the motor and warm-up gently exactly as before. When the motor is uncomfortably warm on your hand, stab her in gear and gently accelerate through each gear using about 1/3 to 1/2 throttle as a shift point. DO NOT BOG or LUG the motor. DO NOT "cruise" at a steady rpm. Vary the engine speed up and down at all times. DO NOT OVER REV either! When you reach top gear immediately slow down and ride back to your origin doing the same thing. Limit your initial ride time to 5 to 10 minutes maximum, all the while touching the cylinder frequently with your hand to sense drastic overheating. ANY signs of excessive heating or abnormal engine noises require immediate SHUT DOWN and investigation/cure of the culprit. If in doubt, DO NOT ride/drive/fly back to the garage and then shut it off... TOW it back! When you're done with the initial ride, let it cool down to COLD again.
Continue this procedure gradually extending the running time to 10 minutes, then 15 minutes, etc.. You can also gradually get a bit more agressive with throttle application (slightly bigger "handfuls/footfuls" of throttle). Speed up, slow down, constantly varying throttle position and going up and down through the gears. Steady cruising at one engine speed or lugging the motor below its' powerband in a higher gear can cause overheating during break-in... AVOID BOTH! Don't worry so much about too high an rpm as VARYING the rpm. Bursts of throttle allow heating and mild expansion which in turn shaves off those high spots while deceleration allows slight cooling and contraction. Stay away from long hills, carrying a passenger or heavy loads during break-in.
After about an hour total riding/driving/flying time has accumulated, recheck cranking compression. As the rings seat, you will see the readings come up and you will also notice improvements in power delivery. Break-in is essentially complete when the readings peak and no longer get higher as more riding time accumulates. For a two stroke, this is typically one to three hours break-in time.
A four stroke has a superior oiling system and therefore breaks in more slowly. Two to five hundred miles is frequently required to completely break-in a four stroke. For a closely toleranced street four stroke it often takes 1000 to 1500 miles or even more! I dump the oil and filter in a four stroke after the first 75 miles, again at 200 miles, 500 miles, 1000 miles and each 1500 miles thereafter on a street engine. Off road and competition four strokes get fresh oil and filter every one hundred to four hundred miles with me, depending on how hard their running life is after break-in. The initial oil and filter change is done into a clean, light colored, plastic shallow pan so I can see any metal particles that drain out with it. Straining the oil through a clean, white paint filter is excellent practice. You can then drag a magnet through the oil to collect the particles that are ferrous for closer inspection of potential problems. Minor break-in particulate or "dust" is normal. I also cut open the oil filter and lay it out on clean white paper towel to see what it has trapped and again look for any signs of trouble. Yes, it's a lot of fiddling and checking but I find it infinitly preferable to engine catastrophies (and a lot less expensive!).
Once it is broken-in, you can optimize ignition timing and jetting, preferably on a dyno. During break-in keep the fuel/air SLIGHTLY rich and the ignition timing essentially stock, NOT advanced.
Even after break-in is done, always warm up the engine thoroughly before riding/driving/flying per the above procedure to avoid cold engine excessive wear or even possible "cold seizure" on liquid cooled motors (most frequently occurs in marine or snowmobile applications).
So I take it your not a fan of the hotly debated "redline rpm break-in" procedure? I've read some wildly opposed opinions on how to break in a fresh 2 stroke. I personally like the initial "heat cycles" and then varied throttle with an occasional light and quick WOT run. Always had excellent crank longevity on my 2 strokes with a proper break-in.
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So I take it your not a fan of the hotly debated "redline rpm break-in" procedure? I've read some wildly opposed opinions on how to break in a fresh 2 stroke. I personally like the initial "heat cycles" and then varied throttle with an occasional light and quick WOT run. Always had excellent crank longevity on my 2 strokes with a proper break-in.
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I agree,heat cycles,then a nice easy ride through some open fire roads,with short bursts of WOT.
JoJo Kellers' favorite saying was,and still is..."break it in the way you're gonna ride it"....and he always did just that.His mechanics would get soooo pissed when he'd fire up a completely rebuilt 250 or 500,and ring it out to death doing 45 minute practice motos.....then pull up to the truck and say..."throw a fresh top-end in it"!!!
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I agree,heat cycles,then a nice easy ride through some open fire roads,with short bursts of WOT.
JoJo Kellers' favorite saying was,and still is..."break it in the way you're gonna ride it"....and he always did just that.His mechanics would get soooo pissed when he'd fire up a completely rebuilt 250 or 500,and ring it out to death doing 45 minute practice motos.....then pull up to the truck and say..."throw a fresh top-end in it"!!!
Never realized you are so close !, back in the 80's I lived in northern MA . I was an avid NESC racer/spectator, and you jogged many a memory of "big man" JoJo K., also Tim M., Pat B and of course Dowdy LOVED watching those "A" guys scrap in up at the 'Wick, Pepperel, and Middelboro ! Dam I miss the good ol days when I was young, strong and dumb... :D
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I agree,heat cycles,then a nice easy ride through some open fire roads,with short bursts of WOT.
JoJo Kellers' favorite saying was,and still is..."break it in the way you're gonna ride it"....and he always did just that.His mechanics would get soooo pissed when he'd fire up a completely rebuilt 250 or 500,and ring it out to death doing 45 minute practice motos.....then pull up to the truck and say..."throw a fresh top-end in it"!!!
Never realized you are so close !, back in the 80's I lived in northern MA . I was an avid NESC racer/spectator, and you jogged many a memory of "big man" JoJo K., also Tim M., Pat B and of course Dowdy LOVED watching those "A" guys scrap in up at the 'Wick, Pepperel, and Middelboro ! Dam I miss the good ol days when I was young, strong and dumb... :D
Yup,born and raised here in Plymouth,MA....I grew up 5 miles away from JoJo.Not sure who Tim M is,but I know Pat Barton,Jack Camelio,Keith Johnson,Bill Dill,Carl Decotis...who's son Jimmy is now part of the Factory Connection/Geico team.....that's where JoJo was working for a short time,helping train Jimmy in New Hampshire.But,Jimmy ended up snappin BOTH ankles in Cali,two weeks before Anaheim,and left JoJo without a job.
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In about 48 hours I should have the motor in the bike and I should be firing her up after 3 long years!!! This is more exciting than kicking butt on excitebike!!
(http://i2.listal.com/image/3526177/500full.jpg)
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In about 48 hours I should have the motor in the bike and I should be firing her up after 3 long years!!! This is more exciting than kicking butt on excitebike!!
so your saying... I should hurry up, and take the motor out of my bike, and clean it up, so it doesnt look like I have been using your motor to race with for the past 5 months?
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In about 48 hours I should have the motor in the bike and I should be firing her up after 3 long years!!! This is more exciting than kicking butt on excitebike!!
so your saying... I should hurry up, and take the motor out of my bike, and clean it up, so it doesnt look like I have been using your motor to race with for the past 5 months?
No its cool.....you can keep it.....I'll trade ya for your Jeff Ward motor. :-D
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In about 48 hours I should have the motor in the bike and I should be firing her up after 3 long years!!! This is more exciting than kicking butt on excitebike!!
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Holy memories...Excitebike!!....I have'nt heard of that in years.
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out of my hands now... god save us :|
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Now would be a good time to review the First Commandment of 500's:
Thou shalt learn throttle control, or Thou shalt learn First Aid.
Larry
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Now would be a good time to review the First Commandment of 500's:
Thou shalt learn throttle control, or Thou shalt learn First Aid.
Larry
I love that one... Needs to be a stickie or somthing
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its funny you say that I just had a good friend of mine who thought he knew what he was doing and didn't respect the power of a 2 stroke 500 and I let him take my wr500 for a ride today and he hit a ditch pinned in 4th gear and needless to say he went f@cking flying and got tossed like a rag doll and now he's covered in road rash from grass his whole fore head(skin) is totally gone he looked like the guy who got his face eatin by a zombie, pretty gnarly anyway looks like he learned his lesson the hard way some people just don't listen
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its funny you say that I just had a good friend of mine who thought he knew what he was doing and didn't respect the power of a 2 stroke 500 and I let him take my wr500 for a ride today and he hit a ditch pinned in 4th gear and needless to say he went f@cking flying and got tossed like a rag doll and now he's covered in road rash from grass his whole fore head(skin) is totally gone he looked like the guy who got his face eatin by a zombie, pretty gnarly anyway looks like he learned his lesson the hard way some people just don't listen
If you give a monkey a gun and he shoots someone do you blame the monkey or the person who gave him the gun? :-D
HAHAHA!!!! seriously though, glad your friend is ok. 8-)
Work begins today. Motor should be in the bike by the end of the day and it should be going through its first heat cycles early this week. :wink:
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its funny you say that I just had a good friend of mine who thought he knew what he was doing and didn't respect the power of a 2 stroke 500 and I let him take my wr500 for a ride today and he hit a ditch pinned in 4th gear and needless to say he went f@cking flying and got tossed like a rag doll and now he's covered in road rash from grass his whole fore head(skin) is totally gone he looked like the guy who got his face eatin by a zombie, pretty gnarly anyway looks like he learned his lesson the hard way some people just don't listen
If you give a monkey a gun and he shoots someone do you blame the monkey or the person who gave him the gun? :-D
HAHAHA!!!! seriously though, glad your friend is ok. 8-)
Work begins today. Motor should be in the bike by the end of the day and it should be going through its first heat cycles early this week. :wink:
Nice to hear UNMC. :-D
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its funny you say that I just had a good friend of mine who thought he knew what he was doing and didn't respect the power of a 2 stroke 500 and I let him take my wr500 for a ride today and he hit a ditch pinned in 4th gear and needless to say he went f@cking flying and got tossed like a rag doll and now he's covered in road rash from grass his whole fore head(skin) is totally gone he looked like the guy who got his face eatin by a zombie, pretty gnarly anyway looks like he learned his lesson the hard way some people just don't listen
If you give a monkey a gun and he shoots someone do you blame the monkey or the person who gave him the gun? :-D
HAHAHA!!!! seriously though, glad your friend is ok. 8-)
Work begins today. Motor should be in the bike by the end of the day and it should be going through its first heat cycles early this week. :wink:
Perfect... just in time for the motor builder to leave the country. by the time you realize there is nothing in the cases...
Speaking of which... T-minus 5 days... crap...
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Perfect... just in time for the motor builder to leave the country. by the time you realize there is nothing in the cases...
Now who did you say was your motor builder? Should run real nice :wink:
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Quick update............SHE'S ALIVE!!!!! :-D
First heat cycle started on the 3rd kick.......sounds SICK!!.....in a good way that is...hahaha
I will have a full report in the next couple of days once she is broken in......
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Quick update............SHE'S ALIVE!!!!! :-D
First heat cycle started on the 3rd kick.......sounds SICK!!.....in a good way that is...hahaha
I will have a full report in the next couple of days once she is broken in......
Knew it wouldnt have gone on first kick.... had enough assembly oil in it for 2 motors...
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its funny you say that I just had a good friend of mine who thought he knew what he was doing and didn't respect the power of a 2 stroke 500 and I let him take my wr500 for a ride today and he hit a ditch pinned in 4th gear and needless to say he went f@cking flying and got tossed like a rag doll and now he's covered in road rash from grass his whole fore head(skin) is totally gone he looked like the guy who got his face eatin by a zombie, pretty gnarly anyway looks like he learned his lesson the hard way some people just don't listen
If you give a monkey a gun and he shoots someone do you blame the monkey or the person who gave him the gun? :-D
HAHAHA!!!! seriously though, glad your friend is ok. 8-)
Work begins today. Motor should be in the bike by the end of the day and it should be going through its first heat cycles early this week. :wink:
Perfect... just in time for the motor builder to leave the country. by the time you realize there is nothing in the cases...
Speaking of which... T-minus 5 days... crap...
"Now you're really giving me flashbacks!"
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3 heat cycles down.......still no leaks.......I've checked torque on the head nuts and cylinder nuts each time and none of them have moved.......sounds great.......Hopefully the break in ride this afternoon. :-D
Someone tell doldguy that its running......... :lol:
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So here are the final stages of the build. I will be going for the final break in ride in a few minutes. I will have a final ride report tomorrow.
Rolling chassis back apart for motor install
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MZB ignition is a simple install, very clean and it feels like the bike runs alot cleaner with it. Cant wait to run a set of lights with this thing. Motor is very snappy with that light flywheel.....Thanks for everything Alex :-D
Getting put back together for the last time!!
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Just enough fuel in the tank for break in.....91 octane and Castor 927 at a 40:1 mix....SMELLS GOOD!!
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And finally......it is only fitting that since all this drama started because I was gonna clean the air filter the last thing to go in should be...........Air Filter :-o
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And behold!!!.......3 years later.......finished!! :-D
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This bike will ride with the spirit of Danny Hamel, the Marine Corps
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And with the spirit of none other than........
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A many thanks to all those here who have read along and helped out with this build in so many ways. :wink:
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You'll put your eye out with that thing.
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You'll put your eye out with that thing.
When I was little and there was a monster in my closet...........I wasn't scared
When the school bully wanted to beat me..............................I wasn't scared
When I kissed a girl for the first time....................................I wasn't scared
When I went overseas on my first deployment.......................I wasn't THAT scared
When I asked my wife to marry me......................................I wasn't scared
But when I test rode my Motorrad built KX500.......................I ruined my shorts in fear!!!!
The "Official Red Ryder, carbine action, two-hundred shot range model air rifle" don't have 5H1T on my "Official Motorrad Built, 500cc, 70HPish, Desert Sled Prepped, KX500"!!!!!
I was out for 30 min of tame, break in riding and this thing is frightning!! This thing FEELS faster at half throttle in 3rd gear than my CR500 does pinned in 5th!! Power is huge but comes on smooth and linear........Almost like a 4 stroke, except, this sounds better, feels better, smells better, pulls better, looks better, IS better......HAHAHA!!!
I am morbidly curious to know what this thing will do when broken in at full throttle......... :-o
Final break in ride will be tomorrow after I torque check the cylinder and head.......then...........watch out world!!! :evil:
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That is a very fine looking motorcycle. Very nice!
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Nice job! Let us know how the lighting goes.
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And finally......it is only fitting that since all this drama started because I was gonna clean the air filter the last thing to go in should be...........Air Filter :-o
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Looks like 5th to last to me :roll:
Rear tank strap
Seat
2 seat bolts
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Get to WOT IN 5th yet?
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Get to WOT IN 5th yet?
I got it into 4th at 3/4 throttle yesterday and then ran out of road at about warp speed!! I know of a long fire road near my house that I will open her up.
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May the force be with you!
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congrats Oscar she's a beaut! :-D sometimes a long build like this can feel like its never going to be completed.( it has for me anyway) and now that you're finished it's time to enjoy that beast! hows the weather been out by you, Tehachapi/Mojave? hot n windy?
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congrats Oscar she's a beaut! :-D sometimes a long build like this can feel like its never going to be completed.( it has for me anyway) and now that you're finished it's time to enjoy that beast! hows the weather been out by you, Tehachapi/Mojave? hot n windy?
Tehachapi is not so bad......low 90's. Mojave is another story.......
Bike went on its final break in ride today. First off, I have been torque checking the head nuts and cylinder nuts each and every heat cycle/ride and they have not moved at all.
Second, the bike is a rocket with a healthy 50/50 mix of 100LL and 91 octane........It sounds WICKED!!
Hey OX, are you near by?
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So... KX vs your CR?
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So... KX vs your CR?
No contest brother.......KX is an animal.......HOWEVER...................... :-D
since you've never had your hands in a CR500 we might have to do some experimenting once you return....Told Alex that we could send him measurments and specs so that he can try to adapt the MZB for the CR500 crowd.
Enjoy the trip dude........We'll hold the fort while you're away. :wink:
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I'm in L.A. it's about 103 miles to the last stop light in Mojave from my door! :cry:
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LA isn't too far......I still have family there and drive there VERY often. Anything less than 4 hours one way is local to me....hahaha....We should hit up Gorman sometime. PM me a number.
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congrats Oscar she's a beaut! :-D sometimes a long build like this can feel like its never going to be completed.( it has for me anyway) and now that you're finished it's time to enjoy that beast! hows the weather been out by you, Tehachapi/Mojave? hot n windy?
Tehachapi is not so bad......low 90's. Mojave is another story.......
Bike went on its final break in ride today. First off, I have been torque checking the head nuts and cylinder nuts each and every heat cycle/ride and they have not moved at all.
Second, the bike is a rocket with a healthy 50/50 mix of 100LL and 91 octane........It sounds WICKED!!
Hey OX, are you near by?
Every time I whack the throttle on my stock KX500 I got a HUGE nerveous grin ! I can't imagine the adrenalin holding a fully modded KX500 WFO ! You da' man !!! :-o
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congrats Oscar she's a beaut! :-D sometimes a long build like this can feel like its never going to be completed.( it has for me anyway) and now that you're finished it's time to enjoy that beast! hows the weather been out by you, Tehachapi/Mojave? hot n windy?
Tehachapi is not so bad......low 90's. Mojave is another story.......
Bike went on its final break in ride today. First off, I have been torque checking the head nuts and cylinder nuts each and every heat cycle/ride and they have not moved at all.
Second, the bike is a rocket with a healthy 50/50 mix of 100LL and 91 octane........It sounds WICKED!!
Hey OX, are you near by?
Every time I whack the throttle on my stock KX500 I got a HUGE nerveous grin ! I can't imagine the adrenalin holding a fully modded KX500 WFO ! You da' man !!! :-o
YEAH, I'M THE MAN....................THE SCARED 5H1TLESS MAN!!! :lol:
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Some people don't like ebay.....I however love ebay when I find cool stuff like what I bought today.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/280906285596?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/280906285596?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649)
It is not easy finding stuff for a motorcycle that was designed in 1987 and discontinued in 2004.....
I almost bought one from Scotts Performance for $140!! That BRP should look awsome once I shine her up!! :-D
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I still could use some help cleaning my air filter.
Got some time to stop by my house?
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So... have you ridden it enough to have to change the air filter AGAIN?!! :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :| :|
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I'm afraid to clean the air filter........you saw what happened the last time I did........If I try to clean it I might end up with a 550cc with fuel injection, overdrive 6th, and a Danny Hamel seat.... :wink:
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I'm afraid to clean the air filter........you saw what happened the last time I did........If I try to clean it I might end up with a 550cc with fuel injection, overdrive 6th, and a Danny Hamel seat.... :wink:
Just do it....this has been way too good of a thread to let it die out now!! :-D
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Bah. Someone needs to step up and go 640cc
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640cc? 93.4mm bore X 93.4mm stroke?
I can't wait to see that project.... :-D
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Bah. Someone needs to step up and go 640cc
With all the K5 research/projects and quest for more power that you do,I'm really surprised you have'nt gone that route yet.....but then again,it would'nt surprise me if you have something even more radical brewing in the shop. :?
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The custom piston is the hangup aint it? Why aint you got that made yet? :mrgreen:
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Need to have that Hot wife of yours Put on a Bikini and pose with your bike.. for all of us to enjoy...
or have her take video of your fat ass riding it around...
either way... we need to see some T&A yours or hers
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did I ever mention how fast my KX ended up being?....hahahaha
The last time I went on a group ride my MX buddy that used to race took her for a spin.... and he is pretty talented on 2 wheels......My bike sounds better when I'm off it than it does when I'm riding it......
He got back from his little ride on my bike and he said "thats pretty nice bike".....
You have to understand my friend Mike......he is a very calm, dry, quiet person......so when he says "thats pretty nice bike".....its like me saying "Holy @#$% 5hit!!!! That is the meanest S.O.B I've ever riden!!!!"
Thanks again Motorrad!!!!
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Need to have that Hot wife of yours Put on a Bikini and pose with your bike.. for all of us to enjoy...
or have her take video of your fat ass riding it around...
either way... we need to see some T&A yours or hers
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OK here is a question for all of you........My CR500AF (dont freak, this is a KX question) came with a Keihin 38mm PJ carb....The popular upgrade for this bike is a Keihin 39mm PWK. I was gonna buy a PWK for my Honda but before I do I was wondering if I should just yank the 39mm PWK off my KX for the CR and buy a Sudco Keihin 41mm PWK for the KX.
I'll expect my evil mechanical yoda (motorrad) to chime in on this since he would know better....after all he is the one that gave birth to my motor. However any advice or opinions are always welcome.
For all my loyal readers I am pleased to announce that the "Project I was only gonna clean the air filter!" thread lives once again.....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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I have a Sudco PWK 41 for sale!
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I have a Sudco PWK 41 for sale!
OK.....next question.......$$$??? :-D
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Good friend price. Give me a shout, u still got the number????
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Good friend price. Give me a shout, u still got the number????
You bet I still got you number.......Feeling a bit under the weather right now but I'll call ya once I'm feeling better. By the way, thanks for the MZB Alex.....you don't realize how pathetic the factory ignition system is until one of your systems is ran on the bike......SUPER CRISP!!
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This thread is usless without boobies.
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This thread is usless without boobies.
Careful!!....you may get what you wish for....and it may not be pleasant!...for any of us!! :lol:
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Ask and you shall recieve..... :-D
(http://backseatcuddler.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/travolta_ford_full.jpg)
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Travolta, So HOT!!!
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Hahaaaaa.....I warned you!!!...that's some funny s**t.
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OK......on a serious note............just for Motorrad!!!!
(http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/motivational-poster-buttons-giant-breasts-popping-out.jpg)
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all nice and all.. but if you read my original request on the previous page.... those dont meet the demands..
Need to have that Hot wife of yours Put on a Bikini and pose with your bike.. for all of us to enjoy...
or have her take video of your fat ass riding it around...
either way... we need to see some T&A yours or hers
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That is the wife......sorry that my bike is not in the pic.... :lol:
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Maxxis IT rear its is......
??????? 90/100-21 front it is.....hahaha
Thanks for the info Motorrad........Let me know how that MX51 goes.....I am torn between the Maxxis SI and both the Dunlop MX51 and MX71. I guess half the fun is experimentation with tires....haha
Santa might bring me some tires for Xmas......Still going with the Maxxis Desert IT in the rear but I want some feed back on the fronts. I'm leaning towards the MX51 in a size 90/100-21........
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OK......on a serious note............just for Motorrad!!!!
(http://www.thebuzzmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/motivational-poster-buttons-giant-breasts-popping-out.jpg)
IM STILL WAITING!!!! :-o
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I ran a mx51. All the way to Canada. (wore out a tire in 2 weeks). And ran a mx71 on the way back......So being that I was running that many miles back to back I could really concentrate on handling nuances...
Hands down n mx71. Works just as good in sand. And better on hardpaxk than the 51. Also the 51 had a bit of squirm when heavy cornering on hardpack. 71 did not...
Only place the 51 would outshine the 71 would be In fast going mud.. But if your buying either one for pure mud riding n your getting the wrong tires
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Oh and both tires were used on EVERY kind of terain there is.. Rocks. Mud. Gravel. Hardpack. Loosepack . Sand, Tarmac. Etc...
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(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/DSCN0272.jpg)
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MX71 it is then..........I figured you would chime in cause I remember that you had the 51 on the front of the ktm. Thanks Fuzzy!!
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Any one run bridgestone M-22s any more?
Its been a while since Ive had to buy tires. :roll:
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Any one run bridgestone M-22s any more?
Its been a while since Ive had to buy tires. :roll:
Never ran a bridgestone tire I liked.
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I really like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michelin-Starcross-HP4-90-100-21-Front-Dirt-MX-Tire-/180842010076?hash=item2a1b0615dc&item=180842010076&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr
Cheap too
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I really like this
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Michelin-Starcross-HP4-90-100-21-Front-Dirt-MX-Tire-/180842010076?hash=item2a1b0615dc&item=180842010076&pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr
Cheap too
I have one of those on my KX because it was free...
Works great on hardpack (if you air it down, Like 12psi) but doesnt work as good as the MX71. and the MX71 outshines it in the sand.
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The wife has an unusually shaped gift under the tree for me.........It is large, round, and shaped like a Dunlop MX71 90/100-21 and a Maxxis Desert IT 120/100-18.....Anyways this is the first time I'll run these tires.........Is there anyone out there in KX land that can give me some good base line tire pressures to start with?
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I hear the hot setup in the desert right now is running a vacuum in the tires. It "sucks" up the bumps better than pressure
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I hear the hot setup in the desert right now is running a vacuum in the tires. It "sucks" up the bumps better than pressure
Vacuum? Great Idea..........I still need a value though!! :roll:
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327Kpa
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I once dated a girl who was capable of delivering 327 kilopascal's of vacuum........ :-D
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I once dated a girl who was capable of delivering 327 kilopascal's of vacuum........ :-D
Still have her number?
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Have you considered popping the $$ for tubliss?
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Do I still have her number?.............Thankfully, NO.... :lol:
Have I considered running tubeliss?............yep.......eventually.
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Do I still have her number?.............Thankfully, NO.... :lol:
Have I considered running tubeliss?............yep.......eventually.
d**n... I needed a New Brake bleeder.. Go find her number.
The Tubeliss is worth every penny.... If I had some more Penny's My K5 would have em in it.
they worked AWESOME all the way to canada and back.. on the KTM.
the only drawback... If you do need to add air... (to the innner bladder) You need a way to generate 110psi. My ONE mountainbike pump I carry on Dualsport stuff did this no problem... as well as fills up the main tire as well..
Okay.. now to ansewer your original question.
Depends..
The BIG tires, (lots of sidewall in these suckers... especially the maxxis). So you can get away with less pressure than your used to, due to the ammount of volume they have (especially the front)...
the major determining factor... is what tubes your going to run
speed's, terrain
My last race... I was running 12 up front, and 13.5 in back. With the Bridgestone ULTRA heavy duty tubes (same ones the baja boys run).. as they are 4mm thick.. problem they are HEAVY HEAVY HEAVY.. and about $45 each.
many fellow racers run LESS (alot run 10 front, and 11 back)... that scares me with a tube in racing conditions...
and once more... I know MANY NON racer, weekend riders that run 4-8PSI in the MX71 tire... and about 8-10 in the maxxis
With the Tubliss... you can run LOW LOW presssures. There was several times on my Canada trip... we came across NASTY rock sections... I just aired down to TRIALS TIRE pressure.. and crawled through... couldnt have done that with a tube.
Keep in mind... D38 is alot faster than D37 (speeds).. as we have more wide open / sand wash's.. you have more rocks... so.... need to tailer you tires to your area. But you should be safe with the pressure I was running. 12/133.5.. and play with it and find what you like from there
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Sweet......
Her name was (at least the name she gave me) Elizabeth Pena and the last known address in the city I picked her up was in Long Beach, CA. Can't remember street names or numbers. Nice girl. Gave me a special going away present just before I left on one of my deployments to the litterbox........
Back in 2003. :-D
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Just some more notes on the Tubliss...
I ride in the high desert (China Lake) and have been running them for a few years now.
Overall they are awesome. Had on a 450X and now the KX500.
I have tried many types of tires and combinations and for out here the taller, stiffer tires seem to do the best.
But even with that you can't go too crazy with the low pressure if you ride in rocks.
For example one ride through the El Paso's (local mountain area) has what you can think of as a fire-road with softball to basketball sized rocks (not always smooth) for miles. Some rides ago with a tough carcass front tire I somehow managed to dent the rim so bad that the Tubliss could not keep the tire pushed up against the rim well enough to seal.
The great thing about the Tubliss setup is that I got home just fine, as a matter of fact, until I smacked the next set of rocks just a little wrong (do that more than I would like to admit) I did not even know I had lost all front air pressure...so another dent.
Now even with a Tubliss I still run around 8-10psi front, but rear (with a Desert AT) or even your Maxxis Desert IT you could easily run a few psi, some guys even run zero, with a very stiff sidewall rear tire. I typically run about 4psi on the rear.
Hope this helps and you should like you tire combination for where you ride.
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Today is a good day.......To start off mr. mailman dropped off a package that contained a set of these.....
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_1224121544_zps69f70a44.jpg)
Then a mysterious present that is shaped like a set of tires appeared under the tree......
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_1224121607_zpsdb9eab64.jpg)
Soooooooo.....there was only one thing left to do, PREPARE..... :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_1222121612_zps5f7d4043.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_1224121605a_zpsfdbeff2d.jpg)
Out with the "stock" and "old"........
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_1222121613_zps33d2cbbe.jpg)
And in with the "cool" and "new"......
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/downsized_1224121603_zpsf1dba56e.jpg)
Unfortunatly I have to wait till Midnight to open the "mystery" present so I can mount my new Dunlop MX71 90/100-21 & Maxxis Desert IT 120/100-21....at least I think thats what santa brought me :-D
I did however find a problem with the bike........A MISSING CDI!!!
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/1222121615_zps470fc8d6.jpg)
Then I realized that I have one of these.......
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/DSC_7380.jpg)
Gotta love that MZB ignition!!!! I'll post up the finished product once that family lets me open my presents :cry:
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What are you gonna do if Santa decided a set of rock hard Cheng Shins that have been laying around a warehouse the last 6 years is what you're gettin stuck with? :?
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any guess how much the links raised the bike?
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any guess how much the links raised the bike?
I'll measure it and give you a value.
With the bike on the stand and the rear end unloaded I measured on the left side of the bike using the 8mm seat bolt to the center of the rear axle as reference. I end up with an additional 10mm of height on the back end using those reference points with the EMIG Racing Dog Bones. FYI, I am on the toilet as I type this...... :-D
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any guess how much the links raised the bike?
I'll measure it and give you a value.
With the bike on the stand and the rear end unloaded I measured on the left side of the bike using the 8mm seat bolt to the center of the rear axle as reference. I end up with an additional 10mm of height on the back end using those reference points with the EMIG Racing Dog Bones. FYI, I am on the toilet as I type this...... :-D
Appropriate since I'm reading it on the toilet
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YES!! ITS BACK.............THANKS DANGER, MOTORRAD, DOLDGUY AND ANYONE ELSE WHO WAS INVOLVED IN RECOVERING OUR SITE FROM THE INFAMOUS "BLACKOUT OF 2013"!!
now I don't have to re-re-build my bike to re-create this thread. :-D
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If ya drive thru Utah will ya stop ta help me clean my filter?
:wink:
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If ya drive thru Utah will ya stop ta help me clean my filter?
:wink:
Sure....its easy.....first you start by making sure you have all the right tools.......socket set, wrenches, screw drivers, case splitter.... :-D
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If ya drive thru Utah will ya stop ta help me clean my filter?
:wink:
Sure....its easy.....first you start by making sure you have all the right tools.......socket set, wrenches, screw drivers, case splitter.... :-D
That easy HUH?
I think you forgot the need of a guy 300 miles south of you....
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huh....lookin like someone's got the Bieber Fever.
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If ya drive thru Utah will ya stop ta help me clean my filter?
:wink:
Sure....its easy.....first you start by making sure you have all the right tools.......socket set, wrenches, screw drivers, case splitter.... :-D
That easy HUH?
I think you forgot the need of a guy 300 miles south of you....
hey, I didn't need that much help tearing it apart.......it was the "assembly" part where I was $hit out of luck. :-D by the way, something happened to my CH-53E avatar.....you wouldn't happen to know anything about that would you?....hahahaha
And another thing......an elephant never forgets his peoples.....
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If ya drive thru Utah will ya stop ta help me clean my filter?
:wink:
Sure....its easy.....first you start by making sure you have all the right tools.......socket set, wrenches, screw drivers, case splitter.... :-D
That easy HUH?
I think you forgot the need of a guy 300 miles south of you....
hey, I didn't need that much help tearing it apart.......it was the "assembly" part where I was $hit out of luck. :-D by the way, something happened to my CH-53E avatar.....you wouldn't happen to know anything about that would you?....hahahaha
And another thing......an elephant never forgets his peoples.....
The BEEEEEB looked good on ya :lol:
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The BEEEEB don't make me look good......."I" make the BEEEEB look good!!! 8-)
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So just a little update on the project.....yes it is still a project......the project phase never ends...
If you wanna see my clutch arm mod with team green style routing of the cable click on.....
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10699.msg88463.html#msg88463 (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10699.msg88463.html#msg88463)
If you wanna read about my water pump impeller shim job click on....
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11238.msg88462.html#msg88462 (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11238.msg88462.html#msg88462)
So there you have it......I'm going riding tomorrow to test out these new additions to project "I was only gonna clean the air filter".......In fact I just finished cleaning my air filter and I was able to pull it off without tearing the bike apart.....
Next week I plan on going riding at Gorman CA Hungry Valley SVRA....If you are interested in joining some of us you can read up on this ride by clicking on....
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11255.msg88465.html#msg88465 (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11255.msg88465.html#msg88465)
Oh by the way......just a little update on the performance of the Dunlop MX71 90/100-21 front and Maxxis Desert IT 120/100-18 rear....By far the best set up I've ridden on this bike......To me this combo does nothing super spectacular however this combo does everything very well. The wear I can see on these tires after 2 full days of riding rocks and hard pack is so minor that I can't even say that there is any wear on them.
The bike seems to turn in better going into corners with the EMIG Racing dog bones I installed.......for me stability is unaffected because I run a GPR damper......
So that is the update....hopefully I can load up some photos of these upcoming rides.... :wink:
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If you look on the "other bike" area you will find my project CR500AF.....this bike originally came with a Keihin PJ 38 carburetor which sucks butt!!
So a little birdie, we'll call him the "Flying M" provided me with a PWK 41.....
The only logical thing to do was to put the PWK 41 into the KX and put the PWK 39 that was in the KX into the CR500......
So on the far right we have the PWK 41 that will go into the KX....just waiting on a pilot jet to arrive
In the middle we have the original PWK 39 that came out of the KX and is waiting on jets for the CR500
And last and definitly LEAST on the far left we have the PJ 38 that has been reduced to a parts bitch......
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/3keihins_zps362fcd20.jpg)
So the PJ's first job as a parts bitch was to provide me with a new measuring tool........
Behold my new float height checker thingy!! 8-)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/CR500AF/floatchecker_zps8a1d75ff.jpg)
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Update.....still getting her cleaned up after the Gorman ride....also waiting on a new OEM cable to replace the junk motion pro that is giving me hell......
I also now have a promoto billet kick stand installed on the bike which will make looking for a tree to lean the bike on a thing of the past. A huge thanks to (you know who you are) for the hook up......you've got a life long friend and riding partner!!
Still messing with the PWK 41 (Huge thanks to you know who you are) but I think I've got the overflow problem kicked. I will have photos and a nice little write up towards the end of the week once she is back together and I have the jetting dialed in.
Stay tuned to the next episode of Project "I was only gonna clean the air filter".......
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I can't wait :-D
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This is what I picture when I think of Motorrad..........
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HBPsP0NacFg/T6RWiafQKkI/AAAAAAAAJOw/XFovDd-CLJc/s1600/the-most-interesting-man-in-the-world-meme-generator-i-don-t-always-drink-beer-but-when-i-do-i-make-chuck-norris-serve-it-to-me-in-a-dress-f73cff.jpeg)
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Update.....still getting her cleaned up after the Gorman ride....also waiting on a new OEM cable to replace the junk motion pro that is giving me hell......
I also now have a promoto billet kick stand installed on the bike which will make looking for a tree to lean the bike on a thing of the past. A huge thanks to (you know who you are) for the hook up......you've got a life long friend and riding partner!!
Still messing with the PWK 41 (Huge thanks to you know who you are) but I think I've got the overflow problem kicked. I will have photos and a nice little write up towards the end of the week once she is back together and I have the jetting dialed in.
Stay tuned to the next episode of Project "I was only gonna clean the air filter".......
well??!!
you have the JEtS. I know I mailed them to you.
Have you fixed all the YETIES?
Yeties in your intake are never good
(http://www.capitolcharlotte.com/stuff/contentmgr/files/1/b7bdcb4e23f3dcc88bc818b803c1f29b/misc/yeti__scary.jpg)
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Ok update time.....My clutch cable hasn't shown up yet so I did what I could today.....
Started with the intake....In speaking with my engine builder I was informed that upsizing to a PWK 41 from a 39 might present a problem. Inside the intake boot there is a lip that the carb seats against and when upsizing to a 41 that lip then becomes an obstruction......
Here you can see the lip inside the intake boot that the carb seats against
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/DSCF0346_zps4e887072.jpg)
Here is the PWK 41 installed and you can see that the intake boot lip is still visable which will decrease the new carb size back to stock.......pointless to upsize the carburetor with this issue
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/DSCF0345_zps48421273.jpg)
So out came Mr. Dremel and I proceded to "match port" the intake boot to the carb...
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/DSCF0354_zps69bf63bd.jpg)
A bit hard to tell in this photo but here is the carb installed into the intake boot after some trimming....
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/DSCF0352_zpsee9c79fd.jpg)
I also prerformed a little fix to my clutch arm mod.....I had to use Mr. Dremel again to increase the slot for the clutch cable mounting point. Before I trimmed it the end of the cable had a bit of a kink to it.....not anymore.
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/DSCF0358_zpsfb37eea3.jpg)
Next on the punch list was the aluminum piece that protects the subframe from the chain rubbing on it. The previous owner had this piece on there but it was crude and held on with a hose clamp. I trimmed the piece as needed (again using Mr. Dremel) and then used rivets to mount it....
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/DSCF0360_zps22933cab.jpg)
And the last thing on the list until the OEM clutch cable shows up was to finish mounting my new kickstand...
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/DSCF0361_zps1dc1a45e.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/DSCF0362_zps8a31ecdb.jpg)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/DSCF0363_zps08c02a8b.jpg)
Once again a big thanks to both "You Know Who's" for providing me with this kickstand and the tip on the intake boot....
And thank you to Mr. Dremel for helping me out today with all the trimming
I just looked at my theoretical top speeds used the gearing commander website......All tranny ratios and tire sizes were accounted for so I got some interesting numbers....Not quite sure how accurate they are but here goes...
According to the calculator not factoring wind resistance and various other types of friction, with the stock 14/47 gearing in 5th gear at 8500 rpm the kx500 will go 103mph......
I currently have 14/45 which equates to 107 mph........I ordered a 15 front so with 15/45 my theoretical top speed will be 115mph....does this sound right to everyone?
Here is the link for the gearing commander website and all you have to do is load up the kx500 info from the drop down windows.
http://www.gearingcommander.com/
Being realistic I think I'm good for about 90-95 mph with the 14/45 and I think I'll be around 105mph with the 15/45 combo
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After almost 5 years on KXRiders and over 500 posts I'm finally posting my first video..... :lol:
Motion Pro clutch cable with about 8 rides on it is now on the ground where it belongs. My new OEM cable showed up and is now in its new home.....Don't cheap out on aftermarket clutch cables.....buy OEM because its worth it!!
I straightend out the new OEM cable Team Green style and lubed the cable. If someone wants to post up how I lubed the cable and with what I lubed it with, feel free to post up. :-D
I installed the cable and made sure to apply a small amount of grease in key areas of the clutch perch. Now keep in mind that as good as my clutch is now it still takes a slight amount of effort to pull because of the ASV shorty lever. However the clutch pull is now amazing....
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/th_clutchvideo_zpsa628a003.jpg) (http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/clutchvideo_zpsa628a003.mp4)
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She lives with her new PWK 41 transplant......the verdict?
Just idling she sounds different (in a good way). I started off with a 168 main, needle 3rd clip, and a 60 pilot. I made a few runs around my neighborhood and she runs much stronger. I think she likes the 41 better. :-D.....I do have a bit of a stumble right off the bottom from closed throttle to quarter throttle......braaaaa, ba, ba, baaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
Couldn't tell if I was rich or lean cause I'm still figuring out this carb jetting thang!! I dropped down the pilot to a 58 and it got worse. Was hard to get the bike to even idle. Messed around with the air screw and made a few more runs up and down my hood........I came to realize that I am lean off the bottom.....
Back in goes the 60 and it idles fine now........So here is where the story gets good......I'm sitting on the bike, engine running, helmet on, in my driveway, in neutral, pointed down towards the street.......
About to grab the clutch to drop her into first and "Johnny Law" pulls into my driveway, I kill the engine....... :-o :-o :-o
You never know how good or bad things will get when they walk up towards you and say "How's it going buddy?"...
I say..."Just doing some "driveway tuning"......they smile and say "Sure you are".....
This good Kern County Sheriff then says....
"look, I don't wanna ruin your day so we're gonna go about our buisness and hopefully we won't hear your bike anymore, and keep in mind your bike isn't exactly quiet.....You follow what I'm saying?"........
" I hear you loud and clear Deputy"........
"Good, you have a good day now"........
:-D :-D :-D.............so tomorrow I plan to get off work early and head down the road a whole 5 minutes to my "legal" testing area to square away the jetting. Hopefully I can get the 60 to work with some airscrew adjustments cause I don't have a 62 pilot to play with.
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Thanks for the update and the pics.
It just so happens that I have a oversized carb and never gave the boot a second thought.....
Now that I'm tuned in me and Mr. Dremel are going to work over a few parts tomorrow....
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looks way sharp!!!
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looks way sharp!!!
Are you talking about my K5 or are you talking about the MZB set up that I have on my K5? :-D
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Be carefull with that kick stand. They bend extremely easy and then the next thing you know you got a groove worn into your swing arm....
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Be carefull with that kick stand. They bend extremely easy and then the next thing you know you got a groove worn into your swing arm....
Thanks Charlie.....good to know and I'll definitly keep an eye on it. :wink:
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Open her up with the 41 yet?
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I must say again that it is so nice to be able to drive 5 min down the road and be able to test some machinery :-D
Update: Promoto side stand, convienient and no problems with it rubbing anything
OEM clutch cable team green style routing with clutch arm mod, clutch pull like butter
And finally, Keihin PWK 41 carburetor, STUPID FAST!!!
Bike starts on first kick, and it pulls harder than it used to from the word go all the way to WFO. With the 14/45 gearing on the bike I achieved top speed immidiately. I have a 15 tooth countershaft that will be going in very soon. for this first test I was running a 58 pilot jet, 165 main jet, needle in the 3rd clip and 1.5 turns on the air screw. The jetting is super close, maybe a hair on the lean side which would explain the huge "smile" factor. I might go up on both the pilot and the main for my regular riding elevation of 3000ft. I've heard people say that I would loose bottom end with and increase in mid to top with this carb.......I don't see it. Bottom to Top is better than it was and it was just fine with the PWK 39. I've ridden lots of bikes in my life and I can say that this is one of the best bikes I've ever ridden!! I'll go on a high speed run once I have the 15/45 combo installed. :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/CAM00469_zpscc46bc5c.jpg)
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For those of you interested in seeing and hearing what this bike sounds like after all these years and posts, you can finally enjoy my labor of love...
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10571.msg90138.html#msg90138 (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10571.msg90138.html#msg90138)
Oh and by the way....I know that the pictures on this thread are all missing.....did some reorganizing on photobucket and I have to change all the links.....please be patient. :-D
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OK....Now I've done it.....I've been having issues with my kx500 petcock since I had the bike.....
first it was a bitch to turn on and off.....
I dissasembled it, cleaned it, and trimmed a coil off the spring.....still stiff.
So then I dissasembled it again but this time polished the nylon cone......no longer stiff but now it leaks. :x :x
I have had this thing on and off a few times and I can't get it to stop leaking.......all the o-rings are good.
So out of frustration I decided to upgrade petcocks. I heard that you can make a petcock off a yamaha 1300 road bike work but you have to trim the tank........ :|...I don't wanna.
So I bit the bullet and out of impulse I bought one of these..........
(http://www.chrome-addiction.com/prodimages/pingel_4110-ah2.jpg)
I must be smoking some really strong stuff to pay $95 for a d**n Pingle petcock....but whats done is done and I'll have another goodie on my bike to brag about. :-D
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I'd say if it makes you happy, then it's only money, but I don't want to provoke the wrath of those who are currently unemployed :wink:
When you get it, would you mind providing some measurements?
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I'd say if it makes you happy, then it's only money, but I don't want to provoke the wrath of those who are currently unemployed :wink:
When you get it, would you mind providing some measurements?
You got it.....as you wish.....at your service....anything for Blaster............
But you have to ask me nicely.....say "pretty please with a cherry on top with chocolate sprinkles and coconut shavings". :-D
And I think that there already is a little green eyed monster that has been provoked. :lol:
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I thought the wr 426 petcock fit the tank too, that was my IMS tank though, it also has a reserve.
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I thought the wr 426 petcock fit the tank too, that was my IMS tank though, it also has a reserve.
Don't bust my bubble Alex!! I still have the option to return within14 days of product arrival!!.......Don't make me do it!!
by the way....I think I'm winning the posting war. :-D
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I thought the wr 426 petcock fit the tank too, that was my IMS tank though, it also has a reserve.
do you know this for sure alex? If so.. its somthing I need to look into
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I'd say if it makes you happy, then it's only money, but I don't want to provoke the wrath of those who are currently unemployed :wink:
When you get it, would you mind providing some measurements?
You got it.....as you wish.....at your service....anything for Blaster............
But you have to ask me nicely.....say "pretty please with a cherry on top with chocolate sprinkles and coconut shavings". :-D
And I think that there already is a little green eyed monster that has been provoked. :lol:
That's easy, Highlight the text you want to copy, press CTRL C, then put the cursor where you want the text to appear and press CTRL V
Pretty please with a cherry on top with chocolate sprinkles and coconut shavings.
That was easy :-D
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I'd say if it makes you happy, then it's only money, but I don't want to provoke the wrath of those who are currently unemployed :wink:
When you get it, would you mind providing some measurements?
You got it.....as you wish.....at your service....anything for Blaster............
But you have to ask me nicely.....say "pretty please with a cherry on top with chocolate sprinkles and coconut shavings". :-D
And I think that there already is a little green eyed monster that has been provoked. :lol:
That's easy, Highlight the text you want to copy, press CTRL C, then put the cursor where you want the text to appear and press CTRL V
Pretty please with a cherry on top with chocolate sprinkles and coconut shavings.
That was easy :-D
And don't forget about that 2 piece clutch cover.........starting to lose my patience with you. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I thought the wr 426 petcock fit the tank too, that was my IMS tank though, it also has a reserve.
do you know this for sure alex? If so.. its somthing I need to look into
BLASTER!!!!!! I need a YZ and KX petcock measurement. Not me, just the rest of the world :roll:
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Sorry, I stopped paying attention to this thread :-P
KX tank is easy.
I have sold all the YZ426 tanks.
I just got in a YZ400 in today but it has a aftermarket tank on it.
Let me do some checking...
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The petcock valve P/N is 4DP-24500-00-00
It fits the following:
1998 MOTOCROSS 4-STROKE - YZ400FK FUEL TANK
1998 YZ80K1 FUEL TANK
1999 COMPETITION (DEEP PURPLISH BLUE SOLID E) - YZ80L FUEL TANK
1999 MOTOCROSS 4-STROKE - YZ400FL FUEL TANK
2000 YZ426F - YZ426FM FUEL TANK
2000 YZ80 - YZ80M1 FUEL TANK
2000 YZ80M FUEL TANK
2001 YZ250F - YZ250FN FUEL TANK
2001 YZ426 - YZ426FN FUEL TANK
2001 YZ80 - YZ80N1 FUEL TANK
2001 YZ80N FUEL TANK
2002 YZ250F - YZ250FP FUEL TANK
2002 YZ426F - YZ426FP FUEL TANK
2002 YZ85 FUEL TANK
2002 YZ85 - YZ85P FUEL TANK
2003 YZ250F - YZ250FR FUEL TANK
2003 YZ450F - YZ450FR FUEL TANK
2003 YZ85 - YZ85R FUEL TANK
2004 YZ250F - YZ250FS FUEL TANK
2004 YZ450F - YZ450FS FUEL TANK
2004 YZ85 - YZ85S FUEL TANK
I don't have any in stock.
Maybe one of our other members could help out.
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could u check the bolt spacing? I put the stock petcock from my WR on my IMS tank when I swapped it out. The bolt pattern looks really close to a KX. Not enough parts right in front of me to double check, I will do some digging.
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the shaving you have to do to make the yam 1300 pet cock fit, is just that, minute. in case any one is interested. i saved the pieces i shaved off, so i will check tonite if i have them at home,[if not they are at the cottage workshop with my bikes]
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If ya drive thru Utah will ya stop ta help me clean my filter?
:wink:
Sure....its easy.....first you start by making sure you have all the right tools.......socket set, wrenches, screw drivers, case splitter.... :-D
I got plenty of tools but how do ya get a rebuilt motor with all the other goodies like you did to your bike.
:evil:
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I have installed a 15 tooth countershaft sprocket and I have to say that I am in love.....the tall 15/45 gearing has made this bike what it is supposed to be.....rear tire no longer explodes with wheel spin...it now hooks and drives. The "Flying M" motor has all the grunt in the world to pull this gearing through some technical secitons as well. You can read the ride report by going here....
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11397.0.html (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11397.0.html)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/15tooth_zps4569734a.jpg)
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Oh by the way......for those of you who have never had the chance to hear this bike or see it in action.......here you go.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG6Bq2VN9qQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sG6Bq2VN9qQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2h3gd8wQEY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2h3gd8wQEY)
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My high $$$ Pingle petcock showed up today. Here are some pictures showing the various measurements of the Pingle and a few side by side shots of the Pingle and the stocker....
This is what you get for $95......petcock and gasket
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle1_zps586941d2.jpg)
Height of the petcock from bottom to its mounting surface
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle2_zps079fa4b0.jpg)
Length of the valvebody and fitting
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle3_zpse488486d.jpg)
Width of the valve body
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle5_zps88b46231.jpg)
Size of the outlet fitting
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle4_zps2d79f223.jpg)
Size of the inlet screen
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle6_zpsf023e4df.jpg)
Here is the inlet with the screen removed
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle11_zpsf4c99469.jpg)
Inlet screen size, stocker vs Pingle
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle7_zps44df45cd.jpg)
O-ring compared to rubber gasket, stocker vs Pingle
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle8_zpsa2b02256.jpg)
Outlet size, stocker vs Pingle (no contest)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle10_zps26741536.jpg)
The instructions say that you must carefully expand the opening on the tank for the larger petcock screen
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle12_zpsb312e6f9.jpg)
Here she is mounted :-D
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/pingle13_zps937d44f5.jpg)
Now keep in mind........I performed a flow test with both the stocker and the Pingle and there was no contest, the Pingle will empty the tank quick.......however even though the Pingle will outflow the stock petcock, you are still limited by factors such as inline fuel filters and the inlet on the carburetor. But this thing will not be the weak link when it comes to flow and it adds some major "bling" factor!!
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Thanks for posting the info.
I really appreciate it..
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I have installed a 15 tooth countershaft sprocket and I have to say that I am in love.....the tall 15/45 gearing has made this bike what it is supposed to be.....rear tire no longer explodes with wheel spin...it now hooks and drives. The "Flying M" motor has all the grunt in the world to pull this gearing through some technical secitons as well. You can read the ride report by going here....
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11397.0.html (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11397.0.html)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/15tooth_zps4569734a.jpg)
the ratio for the secondary drive, you can easily calculate. you just divide the number of teeth on the big sprocket by the number of teeth on the countersprocket.
KX500 stock 47/14 = 3.357
yours 45/15 = 3.0
i normally use for mx track 50/15 = 3.333
some supermoto guys use 45/16 = 2.813 or 47/16 = 2.9375
the smaller the calculated number, the faster the motorcycle and more control on the rear wheel traction on firm ground.
the larger the calculated number, which is slower motorcycle. gives more power to the rear wheel. you can shift into a higher gear earlier. which is then good for sand or mud tracks.
Change of countersprocket a tooth is about the same as changing the sprocket on the rear wheel of 4-5 teeth.
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after seeing the picture of your tank, you wouldnt have to trim anything ,to fit the yamaha petcock ,being as its flat. the stock kx tanks are recessed, hence the need for a trim.
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I have installed a 15 tooth countershaft sprocket and I have to say that I am in love.....the tall 15/45 gearing has made this bike what it is supposed to be.....rear tire no longer explodes with wheel spin...it now hooks and drives. The "Flying M" motor has all the grunt in the world to pull this gearing through some technical secitons as well. You can read the ride report by going here....
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11397.0.html (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11397.0.html)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/15tooth_zps4569734a.jpg)
I've heard if you run the factory countershaft sprocets they will help keep you seal from leaking... Is the renthal sprockets the same thickness as the factory ones?
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I have installed a 15 tooth countershaft sprocket and I have to say that I am in love.....the tall 15/45 gearing has made this bike what it is supposed to be.....rear tire no longer explodes with wheel spin...it now hooks and drives. The "Flying M" motor has all the grunt in the world to pull this gearing through some technical secitons as well. You can read the ride report by going here....
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11397.0.html (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11397.0.html)
(http://i1092.photobucket.com/albums/i418/USMC500/KX500/15tooth_zps4569734a.jpg)
I've heard if you run the factory countershaft sprocets they will help keep you seal from leaking... Is the renthal sprockets the same thickness as the factory ones?
thats all I have run for MANY MANY years.. without problem
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OH NO...
I just took the airfilter off my 350x to clean it, all I did was loosen the hose clamp, and the crank fell out. any advice? :lol:
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/legendary_thread_zps9362e1da.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/user/Motorrad/media/legendary_thread_zps9362e1da.jpg.html)
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OH NO...
I just took the airfilter off my 350x to clean it, all I did was loosen the hose clamp, and the crank fell out. any advice? :lol:
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/legendary_thread_zps9362e1da.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/user/Motorrad/media/legendary_thread_zps9362e1da.jpg.html)
Advice???...........Yeah........while you are putting it all back together try to find that 4th wheel that it should have :lol:.......Why are you cleaning the air filter?? Do you plan on going somewhere with the 350x?? :-D
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Advice???...........Yeah........while you are putting it all back together try to find that 4th wheel that it should have :lol:.......Why are you cleaning the air filter?? Do you plan on going somewhere with the 350x?? :-D
I leave my spair tire back at camp where it belongs.
Cleaning it because I havnt for about 2.5 seasons. (years). as.. when your infront all the time. it doesnt get dirty. Infact.. While cleaning it, you would have swarn I cleaned it last week...
the 350x has a killer airbox system.. amazing how clean things stay.
going somewhere.??
yes..
here (one last run for the season.. before it gets HOT HOT HOT, and I start driving up to your guys end of the world to ride)
(http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a289/Motorrad/197490_1031377958371_3034_n_zps72751a64.jpg) (http://s13.photobucket.com/user/Motorrad/media/197490_1031377958371_3034_n_zps72751a64.jpg.html)
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Oscar, Did you change the slide or are you running the 6.0 it came with? I think I'm going to try the PWK on my new 500 project, try to get one to run better than the other without getting tooo far apart. should try one of these http://www.powerapt.com/smartcarb-green.php
just can't get past the price, I think the Flyin Hawaiian is getting one. I know a guy that has one on a snow bike and swears by it, design looks alot like the old PSI carbs .
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Oscar, Did you change the slide or are you running the 6.0 it came with? I think I'm going to try the PWK on my new 500 project, try to get one to run better than the other without getting tooo far apart. should try one of these http://www.powerapt.com/smartcarb-green.php
just can't get past the price, I think the Flyin Hawaiian is getting one. I know a guy that has one on a snow bike and swears by it, design looks alot like the old PSI carbs .
The 41pwk he got .. he bought off me... which I ordered with a #7 slide in it already.
I didnt realize that the smartcarb was a Dshape bore. Hmm may have to look into those.
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Oscar, Did you change the slide or are you running the 6.0 it came with? I think I'm going to try the PWK on my new 500 project, try to get one to run better than the other without getting tooo far apart. should try one of these http://www.powerapt.com/smartcarb-green.php
just can't get past the price, I think the Flyin Hawaiian is getting one. I know a guy that has one on a snow bike and swears by it, design looks alot like the old PSI carbs .
The 41pwk he got .. he bought off me... which I ordered with a #7 slide in it already.
I didnt realize that the smartcarb was a Dshape bore. Hmm may have to look into those.
Yeah.....what he said. :-D
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Oscar, Did you change the slide or are you running the 6.0 it came with? I think I'm going to try the PWK on my new 500 project, try to get one to run better than the other without getting tooo far apart. should try one of these http://www.powerapt.com/smartcarb-green.php
just can't get past the price, I think the Flyin Hawaiian is getting one. I know a guy that has one on a snow bike and swears by it, design looks alot like the old PSI carbs .
The 41pwk he got .. he bought off me... which I ordered with a #7 slide in it already.
I didnt realize that the smartcarb was a Dshape bore. Hmm may have to look into those.
Thanks, I have 7's and 8's so I can find the right one just looking to go the easy route.
The bore is something like the old PSI The billett APT is $775, I was told the cast are going to be $375
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Oscar, Did you change the slide or are you running the 6.0 it came with? I think I'm going to try the PWK on my new 500 project, try to get one to run better than the other without getting tooo far apart. should try one of these http://www.powerapt.com/smartcarb-green.php
just can't get past the price, I think the Flyin Hawaiian is getting one. I know a guy that has one on a snow bike and swears by it, design looks alot like the old PSI carbs .
The 41pwk he got .. he bought off me... which I ordered with a #7 slide in it already.
I didnt realize that the smartcarb was a Dshape bore. Hmm may have to look into those.
Thanks, I have 7's and 8's so I can find the right one just looking to go the easy route.
The bore is something like the old PSI The billett APT is $775, I was told the cast are going to be $375
The cast one is tolerable in price.
So. what makes them better than the Lectron.
just looks to be a D-shaped lectron with the vents run back into the venturi instead of to atmosphere
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they are supposed to have some sort of compensation for elevation and/or something that take into account air density or some such, to be honest I haven't spent enough time researching them.
So my mailman delivered my 41 today, and I noticed the slide sticks down into the bore a little, did you grind off the top of the slide to allow it to go further up in the bore?
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they are supposed to have some sort of compensation for elevation and/or something that take into account air density or some such, to be honest I haven't spent enough time researching them.
So my mailman delivered my 41 today, and I noticed the slide sticks down into the bore a little, did you grind off the top of the slide to allow it to go further up in the bore?
Make sure you hold it up to daylight or a flashlight with the slide closed and there isnt any "light" comming past the sides of the slide..
I returned 2 carbs before I got one that didnt...
As for total open. I mine did that also.. and it was a easy fix... simple.. and I dont recall what it was. Ill go take appart a PWK on my bench to see if I remember... (have lectron on the brain, since its what Ive been playing with for a long while)
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If I recall. They ship with the white cable index thing not lined up.. Take it apart and make sure it's in it's groove
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I checked that as well, I think with the bore so big the top of the raised part of the slide hits the cap, I ground off the top a little bit and fits like a champ.
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:cry: :cry: :cry:
There will be a sequal to this thread titled "Stuck Pistons are why jetting is so important"
You will be able to read the details in the ride report regarding the latest "California Ride"..........
Long story short.....Not enough Main Jet, got excited going down a long straight, Siezed..........
Good thing is I got a whole year of riding out of the bike and the damage is not bad at all.......
Pulled the motor there at camp and put it in the hands of the engine builder........Should be back in buisness shortly. I got 2 good days of riding before I locked her up though. Keep an eye out and read all about this in the "Riding Stories" section. I will post up a ride report as soon as I rest up. :wink:
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:roll:
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For the ride report where I killed "project I was only gonna clean the air filter".....follow the link
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11645.msg92808.html#msg92808 (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11645.msg92808.html#msg92808)
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I'm sure your engine builder has things well in hand.... :lol:
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I'm sure your engine builder has things well in hand.... :lol:
should ask him what the first thing the engine builder made him do after it locked up..
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So USMC 500, what was the first thing your engine builder made you do after you seized it?
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So USMC 500, what was the first thing your engine builder made you do after you seized it?
He walked up to me after we got back to camp and with a twitchy mustache he said "Bring me your spark plug!" :lol:
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That's gotta hurt :evil:
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That's gotta hurt :evil:
It hurt like garden hose colonic hydrotherapy in a third world country!!
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Well.... At least he didn't ask for your air filter :lol:
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Well.... At least he didn't ask for your air filter :lol:
Well I'm doing things backwards now........to rebuild the engine I had to clean the air filter.........So to clean the air filter I have to have the engine rebuilt.......duh!!! :-D
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Good luck getting it back together quick, I'll bet your already thinking 550 :evil:.
Hope it goes smooth for You
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I think I actually shed a tear when I pulled up next to him really I felt bad.
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I think I actually shed a tear when I pulled up next to him really I felt bad.
I just wanted to slap him upside the head with his carb when I read the numbers on the main jet he was running. :x
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I think I actually shed a tear when I pulled up next to him really I felt bad.
I just wanted to slap him upside the head with his carb when I read the numbers on the main jet he was running. :x
i feel with you... all the good motorwork is blown in the desertwind... :|
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A sequal to this thread has been started due to the demise of my bike because of the absence of my brain.....Read all about it by following this link to the recently started....Project "I needed to clean the air filter so I bew the motor"......
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11657.msg92930.html#msg92930 (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,11657.msg92930.html#msg92930)