KX Riders
Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Original => Topic started by: joker_fly on June 03, 2010, 07:36:57 AM
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Hello
So i know this isent the right forum for this, but i want as many off you 2-stoke nutters as possible to know what im up to
I sold both my 500 bikes =( But i had a plan... A Evil one...
Zabel makes Two stroke engines for sidecar mx racing that are 700cc single cylinder engines...
So i started looking for one and found it =) a 2004 four speed 700cc monster.
Now i started looking for a frame that had the drive sprocket on the right side (or the wrong=)
and stumbled across a Husaberg 550 2003 with a broken camchain. Four strokes.... Well i got a good deal on it. And now it wont have a pesky Fourstroker it will have a zabel =)
Ive alredy coverd some ground and the angine sits in the swing mount and the other mounts will be fabed shortly
But i have a question the spockets line up but are 2mm off sideways See below
Sprocket ---> |
C
H
A
I
N
Rear Sproket--->|
|-2MM-|
Can i live with this or will this be two much ?
Please give me input
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OOhh :-D
Hey Joker,
I love it when a plan comes together!
I have a similar problem with my 13T counter rubbing my case's... Camm 22 had his countersprocket counter sunk and worked like a charm...
I'll look for his post and piccy. would this sound feasable? That's alot of torque pulling the chain off-center.
Chain is not cheap, and sprockets would also suffer.
Best of luck on the build & keep us up to date.. This sounds like a Very Cool Project.. I have only seen piccy's of the ATK.
Tuck\o/
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2mm should be fine...but I'm just guessing. 2cm and I'd be worried.
See if you can't bring the front sprocket out 2mm.or move the motor over 2mm
post some pics.......sounds like a cool project.
:mrgreen:
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r the cases the same as the old KTM's?
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What do you all think about something like this?
http://www.kxriders.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=13(http://www.kxriders.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10194/KXcountersp.JPG)
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What if you mill the hub 1mm and and front sprocket 1mm. I don't like the idea of a thin front sprocket.
Your talking about a 75HP engine and to much torch
Or a adapter for your rear sprocket. Made one for a rear disk to at 2mm, maybe on this way you can lose 2mm.
Like the idea of this ride, watch out land speed record :wink:
Dutchie
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Hey joker_fly have you tried to walk the rim over, loosen and tighten the spokes so you pull the hub over. I and many others have done this with some rims for our hillcimb bikes. Some hubs are centered on the rims and some are offset. It doesn't work on all but it does work on some. Atk is selling the Zabel motor in its intimidator model so they are a good place for motor parts. I have a couple of buddys running the motors and they get their clutch packs and other parts from the dealer.
Ron
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Those Zabel engines are based off of the liquid Maico engines.
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two mm is only the thickness of a washer, I can't imagine it would cause you any problems.
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in the length between the countersprocket and the rear sprocket there is probably 2-5mm of side slap when you are riding your bike anyways. i dont think that 2mm in that distance is worth messing with. i woudn't do anything with the 2mm if it were my bike.
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ok thanks every one ill go with the route its not worht messing with
If it gives me hassels i will mill the hub
And tommorow the first pics will come =)
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What do you all think about something like this?
http://www.kxriders.com/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=search&cat=0&pos=13(http://www.kxriders.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10194/KXcountersp.JPG)
That's what I would do as long as there isn't any clearance issues with the chain rubbing.
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Cool project! I look forward to those photos. Personally thinning the front sprocket like that is the last thing I'd consider doing. not much meat left on that for such a powerful motor
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:-D :-D :-D d**n I want one went on their site 700cc 88 hp. that would be one badass desert bike, :evil:
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This is how it looked when i got it - tank and seat
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Wonder what the "Tools" are for =)
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I will let the pics speak for them selfes
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Small teaser Teaser
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Any ideas for a carb ? the origanal bing 55 isent a wonder of calibration
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Good thing about those Bing carbs is the clip that holds the float bowl on. Reliable and doesn't need any tools to remove it.
I really liked that design on the Maico I had.
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That thing is a beast! At least it has compression release already lol. Looks like a sweet project. I love custom made anything. I want to see some video when it's done :-D
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More pics =)
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Whats left is Carb fitment, its going to get special special =) not very roomy now. And i will try and biuld a custom pipe
Since Macio england isent answering my e-mails (I want to buy a pipe from them but no luck =(
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Here is a couple of pitures of a buddys bike, his is in a CR500 frame.This pipe seems to work best for just hillclimbing but is a little big for just trail riding he has a couple of other pipes I will try and get some pictures of those for you.
Ron
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Here is a link to the ATK site my understanding is this pipe should fit or at least be agood starting point.
Ron
http://www.atkusa.com/atk/(S(ihr3iw45hsqwcw45ulhuylav))/documents/2009ATK700620cc.pdf
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Those bikes are sick. I love it :-D
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theres no kind of fun like a big block dirt bike :evil:
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Since Macio england isent answering my e-mails (I want to buy a pipe from them but no luck =(
Phone them up, if its Wulfsport International your talking about its only about 30 miles away from me and they are usually fairly friendly.
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the new 88hp monster
(http://www.zabel-racing.de/img/zabel-2009.jpg)
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Thats Hollands pride: Daniel Willemsen.
Acording to many the only one how can ride this Monster engine.
And do you see something familiar at the back of the cylinder??? :-D
dutchie
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Sure is a shame they put the kicker and chain on the wrong sides.
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The fillings in my teeth are just cringing at the thought at all the vibration that Fraken-bore engine must put out !!! :-o
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yep , thats willemsen :-D and the motor he got in his side car is tuned to 100hp :evil:
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Sure is a shame they put the kicker and chain on the wrong sides.
looking at the pics the chain is on the right side :-D
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Sure is a shame they put the kicker and chain on the wrong sides.
looking at the pics the chain is on the right side :-D
The whole d**n thing is built ass backwards. WHY?
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And do you see something familiar at the back of the cylinder???
i would hate to kick over one with out it.
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Sure is a shame they put the kicker and chain on the wrong sides.
looking at the pics the chain is on the right side
The whole d**n thing is built ass backwards. WHY?
if it ant broke dont fix it. thats how the have always made them. if it wasnt for the rising sun my pumpkins would still be left hand kickers.
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Does Wulfsport International have a e-mail adress some where ? (Found it =)
My spoke english is evan worse than my written one so their will be no calling on the phone =)
As for the Atk suggestion i will look into it asap
The other bike pics where did he get the pipe ?
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I have just been talking to a man with a Maico 685 today (I'll put the pictures up as soon as they download) and his bike had a HGS exhaust on it.
It was unmodified and still chromed so is a standard part.
It had a little plate on the expansion chamber with the numbers 9081-1 on it as I remembered you needed an exhaust and asked the bloke lots of questions to find out where you can get parts.
He got his parts from Maico International.
http://www.maicointernational.com/ (http://www.maicointernational.com/)
HGS exhausts are made in the Netherlands if that helps any? Might be worth ringing them about one.
Oh, and I forgot to mention that his bike had a Bing carb on it also but the 2010 Maicos (including the 700cc version) have Kehin Air Striker carbs on them.
Regards Scott.
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Some photos from today. The bike wasn't competing unfortunately but it sure was good looking...
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/demographic01/Bike%20stuff/Barbon%20Bikes%202010/DSC01064.jpg?t=1279403741)
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Looks like barbon was dry, was it a good day.
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Looks like barbon was dry, was it a good day.
It was chucking down with rain in the morning but dried up nicely just before :-D
I'll put some pictures up in a separate thread later on tonight, I'm just off climbing for a while at the local wall and will do it when I get back.
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Thanks a bunch =) i cant tell you how much that helps me =)=)=)
Got any more pics =) isent it a lovley engine
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Well atleast now Hgs Admitted they do make the pipe =) But they wont sell it to me =( I can only buy it from Macio (And they are not asnwering my e-mails)
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Well atleast now Hgs Admitted they do make the pipe =) But they wont sell it to me =( I can only buy it from Macio (And they are not asnwering my e-mails)
I can ring Maico International up and ask them how much the exhaust is and what order code it is if you want?
Its not the place I thought it was so might not be as close to me as I thought but its no bother phoning them up for you if that helps any.
Here's the other photos I took of the bike.
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/demographic01/Bike%20stuff/Barbon%20Bikes%202010/DSC01071.jpg)
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The owner of the bike said that the frame was off a Maico 380 Enduro and that he just bought the rest of the parts to make it up from Maico International, if you look here you can see that the frame has even had a steering lock at some point.
(http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss276/demographic01/Bike%20stuff/Barbon%20Bikes%202010/DSC01049.jpg)
He also said that the frames have hardly changed since about 1986 and that the frame from the Maico I had (a 250 water cooled version from about 1994) could fit that engine in there, a mates got it so its possible that he might do it at some point.
Regards Scott.
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If you could do that Scott i would be most thankfull
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I dunno if i can live without one of these 700 cc beasts!
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If you could do that Scott i would be most thankfull
You have a Personal Message.
Regards Scott.
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Pipe Is ON !!!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzjcTjA6dGU&feature=youtu.be
Its alive =)
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Cool 8-)
What's your impression of the power?
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sounds good...when do we get to see it in action?
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Regarding power
Its different
It has more power than my 380 ktm at any rpm, at just above idle
It dosent hit like a 2 stroke it just pulls (you always think you have a flat tyre since the rear end is always lacking traction)
The thottle response is epic like a ported 250
The need for full throttle action is gone... just gear up 1/4 gas and away you go
Giving it the beans vill leave skids on the black stuff (3gear) IF traction exist that will hold it down it will flip
Long range pulls 800rpm to end rpm will smoke almost any mx bike ive tryed ink my 380 (the other bike using all gears)
Back side is
It will f**k you up (last owner of the engine ported it, broke his fot when it back fired then sold it to me
But the feeling of going full throttle in 4th gear and felling the insane power this makes is EPIC
More vids will follow