KX Riders
Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Original => Topic started by: colokawi on February 22, 2009, 02:54:25 PM
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I'm just curious what ratio's do you run and what experience you might have?
I've been running 40:1.
Thanks.
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with what oil i run 50 to 1 with belray h1r
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i run 36to1 and my kx seems to like that. i use valvoline.but thats at sea level. i was pinging alittle at 6000 ft.
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I run 40:1 and have for years with good luck. Stewart I thought you ran a leaner oil ratio then that. Turtle22 what the hell do you mean you were pinging at six grand, your bike should have been running fatter then hell at that altitude.
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I run 40:1 and have for years with good luck. Stewart I thought you ran a leaner oil ratio then that. Turtle22 what the hell do you mean you were pinging at six grand, your bike should have been running fatter then hell at that altitude.
always 40:1 over 22 years long ,never ever did i had a seized engine .
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I run 50:1 with golden spectro. Have not had a problem. I do not desert race but under those condition I would think 40:1 would be more appropriate.
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I ran 60:1 Belray MC-1 in my 500. Now I am runing 300:1 Belray MC-1 in my 450. Cam.
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I run 40:1 and have for years with good luck. Stewart I thought you ran a leaner oil ratio then that. Turtle22 what the hell do you mean you were pinging at six grand, your bike should have been running fatter then hell at that altitude.
im still tring to figure the sound out,i has pinging in my exhaust(the big bladder part) when i was racing in the high desert,almost 6500 feet at the top of the mountain(out side of fernley,NV).i rode the bike sunday here in Sac,CA and everything was cool so, i figured it must have been the altatude and the air/fuel mixxer. any ideas?
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It wouldn't be pinging up that high. Like already mentioned, it'd be real fat and running cool.
BTW, are you from Fernley? I live in Dayton.
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no i live in Sacramento(citrus heights) but i have started racing in the MRANN. it races mostly around that area. abunch of my buddies went up and rode moonrock on sunday. i did not make the trip,next time.
when i say "fat"what do u mean by that term?
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Fat would mean more fuel then air. when you go up in altitude the air is less dense so the air fuel ratio changes. more fuel then air is FAT less fuel then air is LEAN. Lean causes detination and burned up engines, rich/fat causes pore performance and fouled spark plugs.
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FAT on top of causing pore performance and fouled spark plugs. also runs HOT and can lead to over heating and all the problems that come with it.
as for the mix i run 40:1 in my big bike and 32:1 in the small bore bikes 50-100cc.
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I used to run 32:1 but just switched to 40:1 My 2002 KX250 seems to like it
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Yamalube 2R at 40:1, no problems riding on MX track or offroad. I agree with other posters about pinging at 6500 feet being a bit strange, especially if jetting is ok at lower elevations.
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40:1 on the K5 Avgas
36:1 all my old air cooled bikes
60-80:1 on my trials bike
Run Royal Purple two cycle oil now...
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I am still at 40-1 with Klotz R-50, been meaning to go to 50-1 but havent summoned up the courage. Bought the bike new, had over 300 gallons of fuel through it and still has full power, rings and piston look great.
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I use Amsoil Intercepter, and the recommended pre mix is 50:1 so that is what I run. I ride from 6,500-10,000 feet here in the mountains of Wyoming and I have had no problems. I have got the bike pretty hot a time or two because the speed is really slow (1st gear rock trails) with almost no open spots to open her up and get air into the radiator, but the lubrication seems to be working fine. I really have had great luck with Amsoil. My buddy swears my crank is going to take a dive because he says it is not getting the oil it needs at that ratio, but I trust the Amsoil dudes.
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im not to sure about the pinging. it was kind of wierd, but sence i was tring not to get my butt kick by miles and miles of crazy desert whoops, snow and the other stuff the race throught at me,im not super sure. if it does it again in the next race,i'll post something about it
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I run MC1 at 40:1 on all my bikes (KTMs, Kawasaki),
Thanks for all your feedback.
Steve
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40:1 yamalube. i ride in desert
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A Case Study: Last night I opened up a 2001 YZ125 that ran 40:1 chevron TCW3 (yes Chevron) oil - previously owned by a Yamaha shop mechanic (oil recommended by him too). 125 PSI compression. The top end had been in there for 3 years casual riding. I noticed 2 things right away. First it looked much better than I expected and I was surprised at NO carbon. The head cleaned up perfect by wiping with a cloth and no unexpected cylinder wear. What I did find was that the piston (and the extra worn ones that came with the bike) all had small exhaust port bridge (there are oil holes too) seizures. Not significant...but there! In addition, my belray run motors always have a nice comforting coating over everything and oil pooled in the collector ducts for the main bearings. This motor had nothing. In conclusion, the Chevron oil, while not something I would choose run in anything, performed much better than expected. It has published ratios of up to 100:1 (my yamaha outboard runs that) and I suspect it might be made by Torco. Still I did not see enough things I liked. I will be sticking to synthetic, Belray MC-1 being my poison of Choice. Cam.
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i ran belray mc 1 at 40 to 1 in 5 or 6 diffrent bikes from 1983 to about 1991 and rode them very hard with no problems so i think it was a good ratio of mix and a good product in belray so when they came out with there h1r i made the upgrade and have had no problems
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40:1
I usually ride sweep, and don't get out of 3rd very often, so the bike isn't run very hard at all. Ran Maxima 927 for about 3yrs with no problems, and am using up 3 gal. of Blue Marble I received when a guy at work sold his Bass Boat.
I'm interested in the Royal Purple and wondering if any of the Guys with Snow Machines
have run Polaris VES Gold.
Here's an old article by Gordon Jennings, on Pre-Mix Ratio's
http://www.bridgestonemotorcycle.com/documents/oilpremix6.pdf
Tuck\o/
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Tuck,
Where did you find that cool article? I have huge respect for Gordon Jennings. Interresting article, but written in 1978 before the mainstream of synthetics. They may be right - and a great topic for dicussion! I base what I do on past experiences. I am the mechanic I am because of all the engines I have seized and exploded (that doesn't sound very good). I raced my 1978 Husky 390 for its race season using 32:1 penzoil (mineral). Numerous piston seizures and couple of blown rods was quite common over a long race season. In 1979 I got a new 400 maico and this cool Belray MC-1 sythetic oil that recommended 85:1 on the bottle. That season I got 52 pro races out of that engine, no seizures no blown rods, nada. On rebuild it was worn, but carbon free, intact and running. I was hooked and have been a devout Belray fan ever since. I would love to see that test applied to a modern engine and comparing castor to mineral to synthetic at say 20:1 40:1 60:1 and 100:1 to see what results they get. Cam.
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Cam,
I have found several other Jennings articles and will P.M. to you as I can.
Work has been a bit much lately and will try to get them out soon.
Unfortunately most of these types of write-ups are dated.
The latest and greatest seem to be all "White Papers" avail from researchers and the cheapest ones I could find are about $170.00.
Tuck\o/
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hi guys! do you guy`s over in the states still get castrol r 30 2t. that stuff was amazing and the smell was the best smelling 2 stroke oil ever . now theres a company doing strawberry smelling 2 t for jetskis . whats that all a boot ! bring back r 30! what do you guys think over the pond ?
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i run br h1r @ 40:1 with a shot of Klotz octane booster, it acts like a stabalizer in addition to the delicious smell.. yummy like race gas, not fake produce.
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A very interesting article.
http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/showpost.php?p=7845089&postcount=5
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AMZIOL 50:1 with no problem - My last two stroke sled had 1300 miles without a rebuild and still running 148psi across all three cyliders. I use AMZIOL in my truck and only change oil two times a year - I do change filter more ferquent. If your woundering I have 192K on the truck and still running hard. AMZIOL all all the way - Sleds/Bikes/Trucks/cars.
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Just put a new stock piston, cylinder was re-nikasiled,stock jets,1mm.head gasket ,no pinging,93octane mixed at 40:1 Blenzall(green label)want to make sure top end is well oiled
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I used to be a Golden Spectro guy back in the 80's. Decent oil, decent protection, and the Spectro was cheap.
Now that I don't have to be so cost anal, I've been running Klotz R50 @ 42:1 for about the past 12 years. I am very impressed with this lube. The most impressive aspect is how clean my power valved engines look after a teardown. The key to telling superior oils from basic oils IMO is on piston wear at the exhaust and/or intake bridge. This is where pistons usually take a beating... with Klotz all's I ever see is a slight wear line.
I also run Klotz R50 (24:1) in my CR125 shifter kart (which see's sustained rpm's of 12,400 rpm's for 10 min. almost straight out. I did a top end inspection this winter, and everything looks great. I'm a Klotz guy to the death !
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I ran and still run Bel-Ray MC1. I tried 100:1 and it did fine, but just felt strange using so little oil. So for peace of mind I ran 50:1 with no problems except locking a motor due to my own d**n fault at no fault on the oil mixture.
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I am running Amsoil at 50:1 per Stewart's recommendation and the thing runs and starts great!
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I've been running Powerlube from AFT - Red Edmonston ,god rest his soul. I bought a drum of oil off of him before he sold the the formulation. I run it at 70-1.Before I ran Belray SI-7 50-1 never any problem, but when it comes down to it gotta love that smell of good ole Klotz Benol ,oh yea ZitTy recommends Motorex Racing Power at 50-1 He claims it's what most of the top MX teams are running now.
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I am running Amsoil at 50:1 per Stewart's recommendation and the thing runs and starts great!
Ive been running the same for the last 4 years, Amsoil Dominator @ 50 to 1
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32:1 with Motorex & VP
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32:1 with Motorex & VP
which VP fuel and at which ratio to pump gas, or can you afford to run it staight?
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Bigtim, its Straight VP C-12. If I had to mix with pump gas, it wouldnt pass our fuel test @ the local track.
Plus my buddy is a VP dealer so its cheap!