KX Riders
Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Original => Topic started by: BDI on September 12, 2007, 04:46:56 PM
-
I have been kicking around an idea for a home made light coil for a while, So I thought I would talk about It. My idea Is this, I want to get a new stator from a different bike that fits Inside the kx500 flywheel one of the ones with all the poles that looks like a radial airplane engine, a radial coil you could call It. You would need one that has the spark trigger built Into it and the coil that runs the cdi would have to put out the right amount of electricity but you could have It custom wound to the right values.You would have to custom make your own stator plate to bolt It to the engine but that would be easy. This is a picture of a kawasaki majave coil It Is for example only Im not saying It will fit, this one Is from rickystator.com and It puts out 100 watts of lighting power and It still has some empty poles on it.I hadThe one in my crf450x rewound to put out 150 watts. That would be pretty sweet for something that fit under your stock flywheel and mag cover and didn't weigh five extra lbs the trick would be to find the right size coil you would need a good resource some one with a but load of stators that would let you go threw them all looking to see what fit your mag or just some dumb luck and you have one that fits the bill in a box of crap In the garage. Just a idea maybe It will inspire some one or maybe not.
P.S. who knows with some dumb luck that coil might work, It fits the bill If It was the exsact right size
-
sounds like a good idea. But i am not at all talented with stuff like that, so i'll leave it up to those "in the know". Then, I will end up buying one! LOL
-
Back in the late 80s and early 90s, maybe later, Team Green used to use a street bike coil on their Baja 1000 KX 500s. Im pretty sure I saw that in one of the motorcycle mags back then.
-
This chap looks like he has a fairly serious lighting kit but its not an Eline stator cover either
(http://www.blinkinteract.com/Charlie%20Halpin%20Baja%201000%20KX500%20in%20Ensenada.jpg)
I found the pic here...http://www.blinkinteract.com/2006/02/racing_the_baja_1000.html (http://www.blinkinteract.com/2006/02/racing_the_baja_1000.html)
I copied the photo onto my computer ages ago and typed Charlie Halpin into Google to find some more info but thats it as far as i can see.
-
Holy Flying Frog-Bike Batman! :-o
Now THAT's some lighting!
With something like that, I could scald the retina of everyone that moves in front of it! I really, (no really LOL )am interested in putting some sort of charging and/or lighting system on my '87.
-
For the 87 you will need to start with a 90 or newer ignition system. There's no where to mount a extra coil on the 87 stator plate. I have a ignition system from a 90-91 model bike (flywheel,stator plate,coil,cdi box) it only costed me shipping from a member on here(Gowen). If you cover 10.00 bucks for shipping you can have it.
-
This is a yfz450 stator inside a kx500 flywheel. It is a perfect fit and a stator plate could be made for this with the greatest of ease. Now this is far from working but it is a good start for the idea. The stator in my crf450x is of this same design and was rewound to put out 150 watts of power. This would be good enough to run an hid light and charge a battery. Look at all the space between the coils, you could put a ton more wire on this stator.
-
I have an old dirtrider talking about Rosslers bike..... they were running a stator off of a TZ bike or somthing... Ill dig it out later and post it up.
-
Okay here it is... first Ill post the entire article in hirez (took pics with my camera)... so you can read the entire article if you wish.
Then Ill post the section that pretains to the lights.
If I was shakey or certain pictures are too blurry to read (me being shakey) let me know Ill retake them...
NOTE: IMAGES ARE "THUMBNAILS" CLICK ON THEM FOR FULL SIZE!! Download them to your computer (after you go to their full size) and you can use your viewer zoom in option to read them....
(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7536/dsc2046ic6.th.jpg) (http://img528.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc2046ic6.jpg)
(http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/3240/dsc2049lr9.th.jpg) (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc2049lr9.jpg)
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4886/dsc2050zq2.th.jpg) (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc2050zq2.jpg)
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/9990/dsc2053em8.th.jpg) (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc2053em8.jpg)
(http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/4207/dsc2054lz4.th.jpg) (http://img395.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc2054lz4.jpg)
(http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/1039/dsc2055jp4.th.jpg) (http://img505.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc2055jp4.jpg)
NOW THE SECTION THAT COUNTS.
(http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/3786/dsc2061kt5.th.jpg) (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc2061kt5.jpg)
(http://img56.imageshack.us/img56/5015/dsc2056fl7.th.jpg) (http://img56.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc2056fl7.jpg)
(http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/8553/dsc2057iv7.th.jpg) (http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dsc2057iv7.jpg)
-
These were the predicessors to the eline set up. My goal is to have something that fits behind the stock mag and mag cover. Something that works right. That is a very cool article thanks for posting it.
-
I figured there was a better way to do it... But it was just interesting... and figured everyone would like the article.
-
I'm ready to pony up the cash for a working/dependable lighting coil set up that would fit in the stock stator cover. The pipe on the KX500AF that AJ builds runs to close to the cover for me to use my E- Line coil. So it's alter the pipe or alter the stock coil.
BDI, I count 12 poles (is that the correct term?) on the yfz 450 stator. Could it be wound in such a way that 6 of the poles would drive the electrical system for the bike and the other 6 be just to power the lights? In other words 2 separate systems.
BDI I know you're familiar with the E- Line coil because I bought yours. But for everyone else, the E- Line coil is separate from the electrical system of the bike. You remove the nut on the fly wheel and replace it with a threaded magnet that serves as the flywheel nut. The new housing that E- Line supplies holds the winding.
-
Yes it could be wound that way but I do not think it would take six poles to run the bike probably only three. I think what I need to do is call some place like ricky stator and pick his brain. The big problem is the trigger With the yfz stator the trigger is mounted on the outside of the flywheel and there is no room on the kx500 for that. I was thinking that it might be possible to make a small billet housing that would bolt on the outside of the plastic mag cover to house the trigger but then there we are on the outside of the mag cover again and I don't want to be there.
-
I'm on the sideline cheering for you to come thru with what's needed. If you can do it we'll call you BDI Tesla.
-
bdi, could you possibly wrap the pickups around to the front of the coil. then maybe you could mount a small trigger on the inside of the cover. just a thought. MADDOGGY
-
I thought of that but there is not a lot of room between the mag and the flywheel. Another problem is that there is a magnet inside the flywheel that triggers the spark and I'm not sure exactly how that works and I don't want to destroy a good flywheel to see. I basicaly need to do an autopsy on a flywheel to understand exactly how the trigger works.
-
I'm on the sideline cheering for you to come thru with what's needed. If you can do it we'll call you BDI Tesla.
Maybe we can just put a tesla coil on the bike then we could power the light with out wires :lol: :lol: :lol: that should be fun. I bet no one would want to pass you :lol: :lol: :lol: zzzzzzzzt- pow :-D
-
BDI,
You are on the right track. Once you find a stator that fits it is relatively simple to wind it. I wonder what ricky stator uses as a blank. I also wonder how well an XR600 type stator would fit. Cam.
-
Not sure if this helps but I tend to kind of hoover up photos of unusual KX500s whenever I see them on the internet, anyway I saw this one on Ebay a year or so ago with a serious lighting setup and copied the pictures to my hard drive.
Sorry that I don't have any more details about it.
(http://img4011.photobox.co.uk/510943319d9655de28c85658bd59c01fd431af9208dd797f3f081faef12d68ac05a0f6d2.jpg)
(http://img4011.photobox.co.uk/0158713368c501b80799d3f6081a86b6952d50dd3da79fa0c412e96d2a23d7e3c56590a6.jpg)
(http://img4011.photobox.co.uk/26359038d2453a70479a17a693cfc86532ee0945c559d987169aac3296453d69ef23d7c1.jpg)
(http://img4011.photobox.co.uk/14191696941e6c2f7eff4a74f1035ac3caa7c04929900fc2c37207b3f4a86853f5a382f8.jpg)
(http://img4011.photobox.co.uk/350897413d0078c698a3dec84fad497e70edab3dc51d82450d2aa9fecf89e89f944e5b5f.jpg)
(http://img4011.photobox.co.uk/50857296c023ff4cd6cce6942b50f20fc308e311eafcfba2c0afd102ec3eae180bb010cc.jpg)
(http://img4011.photobox.co.uk/92198775f17618fe30ae00d3e0928b49a8033782ba29aa73d681642632c94b56bacd3017.jpg)
-
The coil on the KX pictured has KOR imprinted into the side. I have mentioned them before and they were heavily involved in desert racing. Not sure if they still are. There is a KX500 engine on Ebay that has a similar coil setup that is made by a company called Auto Tech. Does anyone know of this co.?
-
that's basicly an e-line coil.
-
Could it really be this easy If the crank taper is right all that needs to be done is to make a custom stator plate. Now the trigger is of a diff style then the K5 so to use it we may need to switch to a newer Kx250 ignition or get the ignition from the bike it is made for. Then we could also use the power jet carb from the 250. Then we could could also use one of the vortex ignitions on the bike. Didn't someone make a bad ass billet carb that had the power jet option on it? Don What do you think of this? don's probably already done it LOLOLOL If I had the money I would allready be ordering the parts to try it. Best off all it would all fit behind the stock stator cover.This is it I think I finally figured it out :-D
-
I will try to post some pics of the ignition later, but here is some info for now. One of our members has it figured out already (I think?), Programmable ignition, Power Jet Circuit, Etc.
DoldGuy
-
looks like a race to the finish. don't put each other in the wall trying to get the checkered flag. sorry, i got a little carried away there.
-
If the 250 ignition is used, I think thats what you are saying, then we would have to use the 250 flywheel. Even with the heaviest weight that Steahly makes, I think it would still be lighter than the stock 500 flywheel. That may work ok in the desert but could be a handfull in the woods for some. I forgot who it was, I think it was one of the hill climbers, but I believe he said the 250 ignition turned the 500 into an animal.
-
Could always machine brass rings like on my ward bike to take care of the weight issue??
(http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb275/Motorrad2/e8866f22.jpg)
I believe that a good ignition curve etc is the next hurdle for seriouse power inccrease
-
If someone would make a weight that would equal the stock 500 flywheel with a 14oz weight on it I would do it. I have a spare 04 250 ignition, carb etc. You could even make the lights work by powering them off of the powerjet coil. They wont be very bright though! Enough to get you through tech inspection at a enduro or putt home slowly if you get stuck out at night. Ive been running the lights on my 250 this way for about 5 years now.
-
I think you missed what I was saying. The stator I showed In the picture is of an aftermarket coil and flywheel that also includes a lighting coil that puts out 100 watts power.That would charge a battery and run an Hid light that puts out as much light as 200 watts of halogen at idle. It looks to be about the same size and weight as the stock one so I don't think you will need to add weight. The only reason I mention using the 250 CDI is because The aftermarket coil uses a different trigger coil then the 500 but the same style as the 250 so I was just thinking the that coil and flywheel may not work with the 500 cdi but might work with 250 cdi. I really think you missed what I was saying by a mile or two. O well
-
so if i understand you correctly, what you have in the pics is a stator coil and flywheel that is ignition and lighting/charging all in one coil set-up? all you need is a custom stator plate and proper ignition components to match the coil and flywheel? that sounds fairly easy. you would have to use a degree wheel to match up the timing correctly for your new stator plate right? if this works out you'll be a hero! set me straight if i'm way off.
-
correctomundo my friend. From what I understand so far If I send These guys my stock parts they will fab up a stator plate and put together the whole thing to fit my needs. It also seems like they can supply the whole ignition to go with it kinda like a PVL set up. If my leg wasn't busted and I wasn't out of work I would start this process immidiately. Danger If you would like to follow my lead on this I would be happy to do a bunch of the talking phone calling and leg work if you would like to go for it. I don't want to do a bunch phone calling and waisting peoples time with no money to spend. I do have spare flywheel and stator I can mail off to these people to see what can be done. These people are right by stewart if you are interested PM me and maybe we can put a cool post together on Kx500 lighting finally. I think this would be a great deed to humanity and I wouldn't mind helping.
-
you also have to cut the taper on the new flywheel.
-
sorry to but in guys. i am new to the site. just thought i would get involved. this is a company i have used here in the UK for some electrical gear. http://www.electrexworld.co.uk/kawasaki-mx-enduro-motorcycles-electrical-parts-332-0.html . they supply a lighting coil for a k5 with a power rating of 65w that bolts to your original stator plate. hope it is of some use to you
regards
john
-
correctomundo my friend. From what I understand so far If I send These guys my stock parts they will fab up a stator plate and put together the whole thing to fit my needs. It also seems like they can supply the whole ignition to go with it kinda like a PVL set up. If my leg wasn't busted and I wasn't out of work I would start this process immidiately. Danger If you would like to follow my lead on this I would be happy to do a bunch of the talking phone calling and leg work if you would like to go for it. I don't want to do a bunch phone calling and waisting peoples time with no money to spend. I do have spare flywheel and stator I can mail off to these people to see what can be done. These people are right by stewart if you are interested PM me and maybe we can put a cool post together on Kx500 lighting finally. I think this would be a great deed to humanity and I wouldn't mind helping.
this sounds awesome. however given the fact that they will be fabing parts it sounds like it could be expensive. maybe if a few guys get together and pull the trigger on this idea it could be cheaper than having a company build on a "one only" basis.
-
you also have to cut the taper on the new flywheel.
These are the little things we need to figure out who knows maybe the tapper is the same and the shaft is larger then we could build a tapered collet. I just don't know and don't have the funds to find out. I wish I could Buy like 20 or 30 of these set ups because I'm sure I could get someone to give me their undevided attention and help. One guy I have called was a tottal pain in the ass. It reminded me of back in the day when I would call trying to get stuff to make my bike go faster,We don't have a kit for that and why do you want to do that for or my favorite one you don't want to do that you should do this, GRRRRR.
-
correctomundo my friend. From what I understand so far If I send These guys my stock parts they will fab up a stator plate and put together the whole thing to fit my needs. It also seems like they can supply the whole ignition to go with it kinda like a PVL set up. If my leg wasn't busted and I wasn't out of work I would start this process immidiately. Danger If you would like to follow my lead on this I would be happy to do a bunch of the talking phone calling and leg work if you would like to go for it. I don't want to do a bunch phone calling and waisting peoples time with no money to spend. I do have spare flywheel and stator I can mail off to these people to see what can be done. These people are right by stewart if you are interested PM me and maybe we can put a cool post together on Kx500 lighting finally. I think this would be a great deed to humanity and I wouldn't mind helping.
this sounds awesome. however given the fact that they will be fabing parts it sounds like it could be expensive. maybe if a few guys get together and pull the trigger on this idea it could be cheaper than having a company build on a "one only" basis.
I would hate to get to many people on board and have the idea flounder. If I get this guy on the phone maybe I can lead him here and he will see the need and that might be enough to spark his interest enough to see dollar signs.
-
correctomundo my friend. From what I understand so far If I send These guys my stock parts they will fab up a stator plate and put together the whole thing to fit my needs. It also seems like they can supply the whole ignition to go with it kinda like a PVL set up. If my leg wasn't busted and I wasn't out of work I would start this process immidiately. Danger If you would like to follow my lead on this I would be happy to do a bunch of the talking phone calling and leg work if you would like to go for it. I don't want to do a bunch phone calling and waisting peoples time with no money to spend. I do have spare flywheel and stator I can mail off to these people to see what can be done. These people are right by stewart if you are interested PM me and maybe we can put a cool post together on Kx500 lighting finally. I think this would be a great deed to humanity and I wouldn't mind helping.
this sounds awesome. however given the fact that they will be fabing parts it sounds like it could be expensive. maybe if a few guys get together and pull the trigger on this idea it could be cheaper than having a company build on a "one only" basis.
I would hate to get to many people on board and have the idea flounder. If I get this guy on the phone maybe I can lead him here and he will see the need and that might be enough to spark his interest enough to see dollar signs.
i see your point but i don't think anyone sees dollar signs when they think of a kx 500 project of any kind, i think they just keep thinking of an outdated old beast. i mean heck, you can hardly find any new aftermarket parts for the k5 anymore. i hope this idea works out. i'm not doubting your idea, i just have my doubts that any manufacturer will be willing to think outside the box for this. they all seem to be on the 4 stroke stuff like stink on crap but are leaving the 2 stroke bikes to collect dust in the manufacturing realm.
-
Well maybe he has something that will fit are needs that hasn't been flying off the shelf. I think that their might be more sold then one would think. Who knows I'm just stuck with nothing to do but think and this has been on my mind for a long time.
-
Well maybe he has something that will fit are needs that hasn't been flying off the shelf. I think that their might be more sold then one would think. Who knows I'm just stuck with nothing to do but think and this has been on my mind for a long time.
i have no doubts that a few hundred would be purchased if they were available and worked well. there are alot of k5s out there and alot of owners that would love to ride their beasts on night rides. i personally would love to ride the dunes at night when nobody else is around to worry about crashing into. climbing choke cherry at night, OH YAH!
-
This would open the door for other stuff also like better nos set ups,efi,hard wire your GPS, grip warmers dual sport kits and more. And it would just work and keep working very little added weight to the bike. I even have a bitchen idea for the battery.
-
I have presented the idea of a lighting system to Trail tech, Ricky Stator ,Electrex UK and Electrosport. Electrosport was the only one wanting to work out something. Like I have said on other posts, We are still working on it. I know that if we had something that we would sell at least 50 right off without even thinking about it. Stewart and I have talked a lot about this and we want something done very soon. When we know, you all will know.
Alex
-
I have presented the idea of a lighting system to Trail tech, Ricky Stator ,Electrex UK and Electrosport. Electrosport was the only one wanting to work out something. Like I have said on other posts, We are still working on it. I know that if we had something that we would sell at least 50 right off without even thinking about it. Stewart and I have talked a lot about this and we want something done very soon. When we know, you all will know.
Alex
Thats a bummer because Electrosport makes crap products that they dont stand behind. I belive the company is currently up for sale.
-
I have presented the idea of a lighting system to Trail tech, Ricky Stator ,Electrex UK and Electrosport. Electrosport was the only one wanting to work out something. Like I have said on other posts, We are still working on it. I know that if we had something that we would sell at least 50 right off without even thinking about it. Stewart and I have talked a lot about this and we want something done very soon. When we know, you all will know.
Alex
The cool thing is You didn't mention the company I found. The other thing thats cool is they may have something that will only take a little tweaking to work. Sorry I'm not trying to step on any toes I'm just not putting all my eggs in one basket on this idea. I'm not looking to make money on this I'm just trying to push the Idea along.Also I have been beating the bushes about this for along time around here and I will continue to persue stuff like this until danger tosses me off so please don't take it the wrong way. I figured you would tell us when you had something but I'm not going to sit here and hold my breath Waiting. :|
-
No toes stepped on here. If there something that we can tweek the someone has found lets do it. That is the purpose of the forum. Thanks, I will look into it
Alex
I have presented the idea of a lighting system to Trail tech, Ricky Stator ,Electrex UK and Electrosport. Electrosport was the only one wanting to work out something. Like I have said on other posts, We are still working on it. I know that if we had something that we would sell at least 50 right off without even thinking about it. Stewart and I have talked a lot about this and we want something done very soon. When we know, you all will know.
Alex
The cool thing is You didn't mention the company I found. The other thing thats cool is they may have something that will only take a little tweaking to work. Sorry I'm not trying to step on any toes I'm just not putting all my eggs in one basket on this idea. I'm not looking to make money on this I'm just trying to push the Idea along.Also I have been beating the bushes about this for along time around here and I will continue to persue stuff like this until danger tosses me off so please don't take it the wrong way. I figured you would tell us when you had something but I'm not going to sit here and hold my breath Waiting. :|
-
Cool let me make some phone calls tomarrow to satisfy my own curiosity. And I will post any and all info I have tomarrow.I really think there's a good chance these guys have done it before.
-
I even have a bitchen idea for the battery.
Dirt Bike Mag has a review on a CV4 8-CELL battery. It is lithium-ion-ferrous and quite small,,, 4.3 in.X 3 in. weighing about 1.4 lbs. I went to the website, but it isn't listed there yet. www.cv4.net (800) 448-1223
-
I have emailing Turn Tech batteries and they are a Lithiam Iron phosphate and are the cat's meow. They make a 2.5, 5.0, 7.5 and a 10 Ah. He said that the 5.0 could run dual HID for about 1 hr 45 min. Longer if only 1 HID. Most likely twice as long. The 10 Ah is 3.4 lbs. If there is no power coming from the bike.
The 7.5Ah is $199 the 10Ah is $249, shipping is $10 in the US for either.
The 7.5Ah is 4"x4.5"x3" and the 10Ah is 5"x4.5"x3" (tall by length by
width). They weight 2.5lbs and 3.4lbs.
Interesting......
Alex
I even have a bitchen idea for the battery.
Dirt Bike Mag has a review on a CV4 8-CELL battery. It is lithium-ion-ferrous and quite small,,, 4.3 in.X 3 in. weighing about 1.4 lbs. I went to the website, but it isn't listed there yet. www.cv4.net (800) 448-1223
-
The coil on the KX pictured has KOR imprinted into the side. I have mentioned them before and they were heavily involved in desert racing. Not sure if they still are. There is a KX500 engine on Ebay that has a similar coil setup that is made by a company called Auto Tech. Does anyone know of this co.?
I like collecting the older,rare stuff. Does anyone have any info on the KOR unit or the Auto Tech unit??
-
I have 2300 MAh A123 batteries in one of my RC Helicopters and they work awesome. Super high charge/discharge rates, durable and not prone to fire when damaged or overcharged/discharged. Some of the Lithium ferrous advertise 3.7 volts per cell but most quickly go down to 3.3 for the sustained voltage under load. They will hold that until they crash. Rule of thumb is to leave 20% of capacity or so in the pack but A123 is not as prone to damage when over discharged like Lithium Polymer. A 4 cell pack will yield 13.2 volts "operating voltage" 4 each 4 cell packs in paralell will yield 9200 MAh at 13.2 volts. I am not sure of what kind of charger it would take to charge that pack but it would have to be considered if your charger was either on or off of the bike.
The UPS man just delivered my Stewart Motor. Sorry boys this topic is now yours!!!
Fitz
-
let everybody know how it runs.
-
I should have said I have a killer idea for mounting the battery I'm all ears on what would be the most powerfull small battery we can use. My crf450x has the battery mounted under the seat in the air box. One could build an aluminum tray that stradled the sub frame rails with the battery on it's side. You would use a small piece of foam to hold the battery and tray in place with the seat. You would remove the seat and then just simply lift the battery and tray out to remove the air filter. Now before you say it the battery is very small and would not block the air from going to the engine.
-
Well I got a hold of these Guys, I talked to a guy named dane He told me that once we figured it out he would send the info to the guys in germany that offer this stuff and make a kit available. I have done a bunch of research on the web and have seen a couple stator plates made by these guys that looked like dead ringers for the KX500. Dane told me that they have a light coil that put out 130 watts of power and that these are complete ignitions like the pvl. I wish I was In a better position to persue this further but I'm just not. It would not surprise me if they had something on the shelf that would fit the K5 and didn't know it.
http://www.pentonimports.com/mzb.htm
-
I'm all ears on what would be the most powerfull small battery we can use.
if you havent heard of turn tech take a look, they have some realy small but powerfull moto batterys. IMO this would be the best mx battery you can get.
http://turntechbattery.com/TurnTech%20Battery/Welcome.html (http://turntechbattery.com/TurnTech%20Battery/Welcome.html)
FAQ page
http://turntechbattery.com/TurnTech%20Battery/FAQ.html (http://turntechbattery.com/TurnTech%20Battery/FAQ.html)
-
I'm all ears on what would be the most powerfull small battery we can use.
if you havent heard of turn tech take a look, they have some realy small but powerfull moto batterys. IMO this would be the best mx battery you can get.
http://turntechbattery.com/TurnTech%20Battery/Welcome.html (http://turntechbattery.com/TurnTech%20Battery/Welcome.html)
FAQ page
http://turntechbattery.com/TurnTech%20Battery/FAQ.html (http://turntechbattery.com/TurnTech%20Battery/FAQ.html)
Good price on these and two good options for different needs. The small one should work great on a K5 with kick start,,,and it should be easy to find a spot to mount.
-
If you put a battery on a K5 it will need a good Regulator/Rectifier to switch to DC power. Anyone know which one is best quality and price? Anyone done this,,,SuperMoto guys?
-
If you put a battery on a K5 it will need a good Regulator/Rectifier to switch to DC power. Anyone know which one is best quality and price? Anyone done this,,,SuperMoto guys?
Well we could use the one that comes with the lighting coil or I know the one's http://www.bajadesigns.com/ use seem pretty good. I have had one on my crf450x sense 06 with know prob and I used them on the last three lighting set ups Ive built no probs.
-
I will only buy the HD ricky stator regulator/rectifiers, since I have had both baja design and trail tech ones fail on my 200 watt system on my XR650R.
-
The mzb system is a complete system that includes cdi regulator coil the whole nine yards. It even appears they have programable ignitions. It looks like all that needs to be done to use this system on the 500 is a custom stator plate.MZB is a german comany that has been making motorcycle ignitions sense at least 1960 from what I can tell. Their flywheel looks to be the exact same size and style as the stock KX500 flywheel. There's a very good chance you can even use the stock KX500 flywheel with their stator.
-
Check this bad ass doo hicky out :-D :-D :-D :-D
http://www.economycycle.com/servlet/the-28/Zeeltronic-VCDI04-CDI-%26/Detail
-
These guys even have power valve controllers. Wouldn't it be cool to build and ignition with that option? Build a billet cover for the power valve push pull linkage that has monting for an rc car servo. These are the guys who make the doo hicky in the last post.
http://www.zeeltronic.com/page/home.php
-
The mzb system is a complete system that includes cdi regulator coil the whole nine yards. It even appears they have programable ignitions. It looks like all that needs to be done to use this system on the 500 is a custom stator plate.MZB is a german comany that has been making motorcycle ignitions sense at least 1960 from what I can tell. Their flywheel looks to be the exact same size and style as the stock KX500 flywheel. There's a very good chance you can even use the stock KX500 flywheel with their stator.
I'm keeping a close eye on this thread in the hope that something fruitful comes of it all, its about time there was a really good product out there for KX500 lights and it looks like it might happen.
-
The 1986 KX500 stator and flywheel can be used on the 89-04 KX500.
The 1986 KX250 Stator and flywheel is same as 1986 KX500
The 1984-1987 Tecate 3 wheelers and 1987-88 Tecate 4 have lights and have a stator and flywheel that can be used on 1986 KX250
Therefore, the Tecate stator with lighting coil and flywheel can be purchased new for around $250 and be used on 89-04 KX500
The tecate flywheel is quite hefty.
There is thread on here were a guy was trying to do this and posted an old magazine article about the Baja 1000 KX500 from the 80's that had a Tecate stator and flywheel
-
this guy used KDX200 stuff:
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,6603.0.html
Maybe I'm not on the right track and you guys want 1000 watts of power and monster spot lights on the front of your KX.
-
The Tecate lighting stator is weaker than the moose lighting stator for $69. Great research though.
The 1986 KX500 stator and flywheel can be used on the 89-04 KX500.
The 1986 KX250 Stator and flywheel is same as 1986 KX500
The 1984-1987 Tecate 3 wheelers and 1987-88 Tecate 4 have lights and have a stator and flywheel that can be used on 1986 KX250
Therefore, the Tecate stator with lighting coil and flywheel can be purchased new for around $250 and be used on 89-04 KX500
The tecate flywheel is quite hefty.
There is thread on here were a guy was trying to do this and posted an old magazine article about the Baja 1000 KX500 from the 80's that had a Tecate stator and flywheel
-
I have that little coil on my 500. I used it to run a whip light and other little lights on my sand bike. I also had the the e-line coil on the bike at the same time that ran two 6" lights off the front. Boy I really thought I was s**tting in high cotten but now that I own a bike with half the wattage, half the weight worth of crap,twice the light and twice the dependability I realize how poorly designed my lighting was. I don't mean to speak for everyone but I think what we wan't is a 100 watt system that puts out a 200 watts of light even when the bike is at idle. that is what we are working on and the point of this whole post.
-
I have an E-Line set-up with a new stator winding that i've yet to install. Besides the weight...what is the general negative consensous with using the E-Line set-up??
It's going into my '86 Tecate KXT 500 project and will power the stock headlite and taillite only...no tru serious nite running.
-
Not to sure about this. It says 89-04 KX500
http://www.twowheelsteals.com/Electrosport-Stator-Kawasaki-KX (http://www.twowheelsteals.com/Electrosport-Stator-Kawasaki-KX)
-
These were the predicessors to the eline set up. My goal is to have something that fits behind the stock mag and mag cover. Something that works right. That is a very cool article thanks for posting it.
what about the electrix brand from the UK?,they do lighting stators for the 500's and 250's,i really want lights on my kx's why let night time stop the fun!!
-
Not to sure about this. It says 89-04 KX500
http://www.twowheelsteals.com/Electrosport-Stator-Kawasaki-KX (http://www.twowheelsteals.com/Electrosport-Stator-Kawasaki-KX)
I bet that is a mistake. If it's not I may be interested. These places get the 250 & 500 kxs mixed up all the time.
-
I'm going with mistake. If it's not a mistake they are selling the little add on coil that goes on the stock stator plate. If you notice they don't mention anything about wattage.
-
The 1986 KX500 stator and flywheel can be used on the 89-04 KX500.
The 1986 KX250 Stator and flywheel is same as 1986 KX500
The 1984-1987 Tecate 3 wheelers and 1987-88 Tecate 4 have lights and have a stator and flywheel that can be used on 1986 KX250
Therefore, the Tecate stator with lighting coil and flywheel can be purchased new for around $250 and be used on 89-04 KX500
The tecate flywheel is quite hefty.
There is thread on here were a guy was trying to do this and posted an old magazine article about the Baja 1000 KX500 from the 80's that had a Tecate stator and flywheel
The KX250 and early 86-89 KX500 flywheels look similar but they are different. Here is a couple pics of nos 86-89 KX500 flywheel on the left and nos 86 KX250 flywheel on the right. The KX500 has bigger rivets holding the hub to the flywheel, also when both flywheels have the keyway cutout at the 12 o'clock position the timing marks on the flywheels are at much different positions as the red marks show in the pic. Kawasaki also gives diff part no's between the two.
For riding in the dunes I just keep it simple and run the later 90-04 ignition with 65w aftermarket lighting coil that bolts on the factory stator plate on the K5. Everything else is either to much $$ or too much headache for my tastes.
-
The Electrix UK coils are the same add on the Moose and electrosport sell. The ratings vary because some are at peak rpm and others are what you might have at an idle or the 2 are averaged to come up with a totally different number getting more people excited about lighting possibilties for the K5. Simply, there is no product on the market that makes enough power to do what we want to do, period. We are wasting a lot of time talking about this coil here and that coil there. The Eline was junk and they are not produced anymore, end of story. After a lot of research and phone calls and emails we have the start of a solution that is in the works right now. Stewart and I, with some awesome research from BDI aka Brian, Penton is going to make an ignition system to do what we want. Not everything, but a start. We do not need 200 watts. With the advances in technology we can run 4 times the light with half the juice thanks to HID. That is what we are working on. We will keep you posted as new info comes about as this is a highly sought after upgrade.
Alex
These were the predicessors to the eline set up. My goal is to have something that fits behind the stock mag and mag cover. Something that works right. That is a very cool article thanks for posting it.
what about the electrix brand from the UK?,they do lighting stators for the 500's and 250's,i really want lights on my kx's why let night time stop the fun!!
-
I'm very happy that everyone is trying to get some good quality coils made. I miss having a bike with lights but I'll never give up the K5. It's just too much fun and nothing compares to it. I'm sure I speak for most if not all of this forums members. Thank you guys for making things happen and helping out when needed.
-
Well I hope it pans out to be a good idea. So many things sound good but turn out not to work for one reason or another. I thank alex for the pat on the back, hopfully it turns out that I desrve it. I can't wait to buy one for my bike.
-
BDI- any new info? :?
-
just waiting :|
-
Well we have rolled the ball and should have something soon.
-
Awesome! Can't wait.
-
I hope this comes together :-o
-
We have a prototype :-D We should be testing it soon. More to come.