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Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Original => Topic started by: Biggreenmonster on July 30, 2003, 02:16:56 AM
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Anyone else have an Eric Gorr big bore?Mine is great..also has the "More everywhere" porting.Would not have gotten the overbore but previous owner had never tended to the filter an it rotted and got sucked in for electrofusion execution.Was just wondering and if anyone has,how is it holding up? :wink:
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eric gorr did complete motor rebuild on my wr400 which included Hotcams,big bore kit,hotrod crank rebuild.he pretty much screwed the pooch on just about every aspect of rebuild.he didnt replace half the seal and o-rings in motor.motor had chronic head gasket leak from the day i got it back from him.i think he has a dog working as his mechanic because my motor was full of dog hair.he had motor for almost 3 months and must of stored it outside because there was rust all over gears and counter balancer shaft.none of bolts were torqued to spec.I think i had more hours fixing fluid leaks and other problems caused by Eric's poor workmanship than i actually had riding time before motor blew up.As far as im concerned Eric Gorr Better just stick to writing his books and playing on his website dirt rider.com. and forget about the backyard mechanic service he calls Forward motion. written by Freestyle111 ,not KXtaz. if Eric wants to replys to my claims i would love to post some pictures i took about week after i got motor back showing all the rusted parts .
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:oops: Wow,did not know he had a bad rap here at PitBull..Was not trying to start a flame.Sorry for your loss,there is no excuse for screwing up someones pride and joy.I am a mechanic myself and only had him replate and port my KX500 cylinder.I shure wont be sending anything else anytime soon.As far as the other "Forum ,i dont post there anymore vbecause of an idea that was stolen from me......You probably heard about them but i wont say because all eyes are always watching at all forums.I am also a fan of Mcdizzy,technical wise,never had any of his work.anyway I appologize for any upset i may have caused...
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I am real sorry to hear about Eric Gor's work! :evil: I have been recommending him to 2 other groups. :roll: Is there anyone out there that we can recommend for this kind of work?
Alan :D
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As many on this site are already aware, I ride and race my bikes pretty hard. We race local, regional, and National events, all in the expert or pro class if offered. As a result, our bikes take quite a beating.
Two years ago, my oldest son accepted support with a free bike, parts, work, gear, race money, travel money, etc. from a large Honda dealer. We had never ridden Honda's, and he was actually competing in the Pro class and Open Expert on a KX500. In order to keep his number 1 plate, we had his CR250 converted to a CR265 by Rick Petereson Motorsports (http://www.rpmsbigbore.com/repair.htm). What great work! They actually did the work on a spare cylinder, and just swapped for our new cylinder, so turn around time was less than 7 days. We also never had one lick of problem with the Honda (except the suspension was never as good as the KX500, as Acme does not work on Honda'a).
For my current 2002 KX500, I actually have two cylinders. I swap at the end of each year, and have the spare inspected and plated by RPM. Also, if I am not mistaken, they do a lot of work for the factory teams.
Highly recommended. Check out the web page. I don't think you would be disappointed.
Rick
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Biggreenmonster, you dont have to apologize.im glad you posted this topic it gave me a chance to talk about my experience with Eric Gorr.i dont think its right to just go around on different motorcycle forums posting topics trashing a company like ForwardMotion.Now if someone post a topic with subject like this one.I feel obligated to tell of my experience with Eric and his rebuilding service.maybe there's a chance i can save someone from having to go through same problems as me.i only wish someone warned me before i sent him my motor.
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i'll be happy to comment on eric's poor building skills as well.i'm quite familiar with eric and i too run my own engine building shop.since i know eric first hand and i've employed his services on a couple of ventures i can tell you that eric will never touch another of my motors.i had him do some work for me on a couple of customers cylinders becuase i was in a little behind and i was trying to give him some business and get my customers motors to them asap. well needless to say his workmanship was less then sparkling.
and i also have had work farmed out to rick peterson motorsports as well ,rick is a great guy they do quality work,the only problem i've had is the price and the fact that he did the work his way and not mine.
if any of you are looking for some serious kx500 power i can help, i use the industries best technology available for cylinder and piston plating. we do bigbore kits and longrod kits.we can go to almost 600cc's.
i was building 640 strokers a while back and i lost my piston order setup and the piston i needed for 640 cc's is no longer available to me without a big chunk of change dished out first. which at this time i don't getenough call for that big of a motor to make it worth my while.
feel free to email me with any questions and i can send you a phone number if you would rather talk in person.
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Well, I beg to differ on you guys. But I've had Eric-Gorr do my KX500, CR250, and two of my older CR125's back in the day. And I've never had a complaint. He did a entire motor on my KX, and I would gladly recommend him to anybody. For the quality I've seen in his work for the price?
Sounds like an ad. But, I've been happy with him for about the past 5 years and I used to have him do it through RPM back before too. You are looking at a satisfied customer, and if you want further proof of a great job, ask the folks at DRN (http://www.dirtrider.net/forums) about 99% of the 20,000 members that have had Eric-Gorr do their work on their bikes are 100% satisfied.
Besides, I wouldn't ask another shop in compitetion or take their oppinion worth a d**n. :-( Sorry to bust on ya guys, but I have had too much good by him.
My two cents.
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Gowen, I hope Eric pays you for promoting his his backyard mechanic service.a few weeks ago i decided it was time to completely tear down the wr400 motor Eric rebuilt.when i split cases first thing i noticed was torx bolts that hold in bearings didnt show slightest bit of wear.you could tell that they had never been loosened especially since yamaha uses red loctite when they assemble internal parts of motor.theres no way he could of removed every single bolt without torx leaving any kind of mark of any kind.Since i was charged for complete rebuild which included crank and main bearing i decided to call Eric and question him.He tried to tell me he has special torx that fits bolt perfect so it doesnt leave marks.i asked him about rust in motor and all the other problems since he did motor.He pretty much gave me bulls**t escuses and said i should have called him sooner.i then brought motor to 2 different motorcycle shops mechanics at both shops agreed with me that bolts had never been removed.I had one of the shops remove and inspect bearings.he gave me signed document stating he felt bearings had never been removed and connecting rod had never been changed.cause of motor failure was rust and pitting inside bearing races.i talked to Attorney last week showed him my receipts,document written by service technician and rusted bearing.Attorney said i have good case so im getting ready to sue Forward motion[Eric Gorr].attorney had me send my motor with damaged parts Eric supposedly replaced to a Engine Specialist in L.A..Im just waiting for them to send report on there findings before file my lawsuit.As for DRN ,Eric is moderator of there forums.Of course he has 100% positive feedback.thats Because he Deletes any negative posts.I've had him delete mine.If you look up Eric Gorr on thumpertalk forum you will find plenty of unsatisfied customers.As a matter of fact almost half the people that mention Eric Gorr's big bore kits are complaining because of chronic head gaskets leaks since getting big bore kit.Im thinking of posting topic on thumpertalk Maybe i can get ClassAction Suit filed against Mr.Gorr. My Attorney told me that if we can prove Eric charge me for parts and service that i didnt receive .He can be charged for interstate fraud since he advertises over internet and brings in work from outside his State its a Federal Offense.So lets all keep our fingers crossed and hope Eric gets to become a buttbuddy to some big ugly convict named Bubba.
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What's happened with this
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Maybe it's just me; But, why the HE!! would I want a big-bore rattle trap for a motor? I haven't riden ONE big-bore that didn't shake like thumper. :shock:
My motors get a P/C cylinder/head, split and matched cases, balanced crank and Voila! I've never lost a drag race and my motor rev's like a 250!
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I just don't get it! It reminds me of a race in '98 (Vegas/Reno I think) when I was drag racing down a desert 2-track against Vanderpool and one of his big-bores. He got a little bit of a jump at first and 'GOOD-bye-big-bore' I was revin' right on...bye, bye. :P
STOCK CYLINDER PUT ON THAT MORNING...Thanks Brasch! :wink:
I guess I just don't get it.
Manny
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I totally agree...
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While I agree on the KX500, Honda, through Rick Petterson Motorsports, setup a CR265 big bore on a CR250 so my oldest could run in the Open Class. And while it still handled like a CR (read really scarry and high speed), the motor job was simply amazing. He raced it for the year, with narry a problem. The next year went back to riding a Kawasaki. Sponsorship was not as good, but the big KX simply handles better than ANYTHING else at high speed, and I hate taking risks at high speeds...
Rick
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I'm still confused as to KXTaz's comments. Reading this again, it is just crazy, as I've since posting that reply have sent a 250 and another 125 motor there with great work, and from what I've heard, Kawdude had the same work done on his 500 as I did mine (except diffrent porting) and was happy. So, I'm thinking killerkx327
and KXTaz were just trolls. But wasn't killerkx327
from B&B racing? Oh well, so much for digging up old rotten bones.
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You guys should check this out also
http://www.pingertalk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=4933
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Air, you resurrected this thread exactly two years after the final post :D
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lol :-o
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While I understand somebody screwing up, there is just not enough information in the post to know what actually happened to his bike. So, not to be an ass to the kid, but he is only like 12. I don't feel that confidant about his knowing about 4 bangers. THey suck anyways (4 strokes). Maybe I missed something?
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I was kinda following that subject for a while, He sent his motor to gorr to get it ported and bored, eric forgot to bore out the head or get a new head whatever you do to compensate for the bigger piston so when he started it up it broke the crank shatterd the piston and cracked the head.
When I say head Im reffering to the combustion chamber.
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I am seriously in doubt of that, because of all the big bores I've had done, I've just swapped the cylinders and used the stock heads.. With the exception of my personal MXers, just because I have the head modified for race fuel or something like that. He could be right, I've known Mr. Gorr to do things wrong from time to time, but he has always been good about fixing it.
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About the time I think I have read most of the old posts up comes another one. As far as Eric goes this is the first bad info I have heard. The old posts I just read were kind of nasty. I understand engin problems. Before accusing a person of fraud and hoping they spend time with Bubba, you better be able to prove the fraud they allegedly comitted. There are slander laws and this is a public forum. There are many variables on each end, did Eric torque everything correct, was the squish correct? On the other hand did kxtaz over rev the engin, did he put oil in the gear box? The rust on the gears is a big question for me. How did it get there and why was it still there after he ran the motor with oil in it. Also like Eric said why did you wait so long to bring this to my attention? I will take this whole thred with a grain of salt. Like my Mom said "If you don't have anything good to say it's best to say nothing at all". Another thing, the lack of marks on the torx bolts. Did Yamaha put them in with no marks? I quess he was looking for marks from them being removed, should be marks from install from Yamaha wouldn't you think?
#1: Lets stick to the facts and not do character assassination.
#2: Opinions are like aaa....errr.... motorcycles, everyone should have one and some are better than others.
I would like to know the out come of the gripe session/law suit.
Danger
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Danger, KXTaz owned his own engine performance shop. I don't know why in hell he would have used Eric Gorr if he did his own work.....? Sounds like a way to burn others business just to make your business look better? Maybe to make himself feel better about his own crap work? Hard questions to answere as this thread is 3 years old. But I was around when this was going on and it burned me to no end to read the crap they posted here.
Also, of all the work I've had done by Mr. Gorr, I've never had any complaints that I can't settle on the phone with him.
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Sounds like the knock'em down to make himself look bigger. That never works.
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No matter what the issue is, there will always be one disgruntled individual who bashes on another for bad service or work. I work in off road powersports retail, and I can tell all of you with 100% honesty that 90% of engine failures are due to operator stupidity and ignorance. The other 10% are covered by honest factory warranties. :)
I personally could care less about one pi$$ed off chooch bashing E.G. I am STILL absolutely going to have him do up my porting.
Rich
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I was suprised to read about the Eric Gorr motor debacle.
I just took delivery of my K5, I want more everywhere ported cylinder, modified head, piston and totally squared away KIPS assembly for a mere $200 plus shipping from EG.
Turnaround time was less than 2 weeks. Totally satisfied.
I agree with Gowen.
4 strokes always have and always will suck. 1 trip through the gears on a tuned K5 always shuts them up.
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I was suprised to read about the Eric Gorr motor debacle.
I just took delivery of my K5, I want more everywhere ported cylinder, modified head, piston and totally squared away KIPS assembly for a mere $200 plus shipping from EG.
Turnaround time was less than 2 weeks. Totally satisfied.
I agree with Gowen.
4 strokes always have and always will suck. 1 trip through the gears on a tuned K5 always shuts them up.
This is a years old thread, but it was nothing more than a shadetree mechanic talking trash.
Shame Eric Gorr doesn't do KX500's anymore.. :(