KX Riders
Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Original => Topic started by: FuriouSly on August 27, 2006, 08:29:42 AM
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The upper pipe mount is another week spot on the KX5. Broken twice in two months and with two anti-vibe brackets. There is a nut that I used as a spacer in the top left picture to make up the gap as a temporary fix for my last trip. Made it bombproof now. On both the Gnarly pipes that I have the upper tab is 3/8" from meeting up with the frame mount. Straighten the pipe tabs with a crescent wrench so they are in line and parallel. Attach the anti-vibe brackets to the pipe first and tighten so they align with the frame mounts (less stress on them) and then attach to the frame. I plan on powder coat and Bling after all bugs are fixed.
FuriouSly
(http://www.kxriders.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/10799/normal_KX5_Pipe_Bracket_Mod.jpg)
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Nice Job! :-D :-D
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Dude, GREAT job! Now that's a BEEFY pipe mount !!
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You're getting pretty handy with that new toy. :mrgreen:
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If you break that, I'm thinking that would be the least of your worries. :roll:
Sweet job! :mrgreen:
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Theres a market for that! :-D
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What time should I bring my bike over?
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Nice repair job. I was thinking of trying to make an aditional attachment point to the lower radiator mount.
Serafin
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Hey FuriouSly, - what are the KX frames made of? and what type weld is that? I need to weld on mine a little bit around where the chain rubs on the subframe. I work with a good welder and need to tell him this stuff.
Thanks
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Sly,
That looks like red hi-temp RTV you have filled the mount on the pipe with. Is that to dampen vibration?? How does it work? Cam.
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Hey Apple: The frame is made of steel and the weld is done with my Miller MIG. The subframe is made of aluminum and I repair that with a Miller TIG. Sounds like you need to stay on top of the chain adjustment so that you don't get that rubbing on the subframe. An O-Ring or X-Ring chain of premium value is a good way to ensure a longlife-low maintenance chain that has minimal side to side deflection. Usually around 80-120 bucks is the range.
Cam: Arigato and my wife FiXXeR got me the Gnarley pipe for Fathers Day. Arigato and his Bro 1AllDave are long time KX wrenchers. Arigato personally did the High Temp RTV to the pipe before delivery. All three mounts have RTV and it does keep the vibes down and ultimately the welds from tearing. You need to let the upper mount (the most RTV) to sit for about a week or two to cure, or slowly add layers to it. But you would have to give each layer a good purchase point to adhere to. Gotta love friends that will get dirty behind your back for you!
Sly
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Another update on the pipe situation... I just got back from a day trip to Dumont Dunes with a friend and the top mount is solid and the anti-vibe brackets look good. Did some 80 footers, alot of step downs, and all around cruisin'. BUT, the bottom pipe mount on the frame is broken now. I did notice that the lower anti-vibe bracket had to have some flex on it since the gap between the pipe tab and frame mount is a little tighter than optimum. So, it looks like I am going to make a new bottom and rear frame mount for the pipe. Those stock frame mounts are definately cheesy weak and flimsy! I will keep you all informed of the rebuild/mod progress.
This bike ultimately is getting set up to do 100 foot+ jumps in the dunes on a regular basis. So in the next 4 months or so I should have all the failure points worked out. The suspension is getting stripped off right now and off to the tech.
Sly
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Careful you don't get the bike's brackets too strong and it breaks the pipe's bracket.
I like what you've done so far though.
Dale
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Hey Sly, thanks for the info. I`ve heard that some frames are make of certain alloys that you can`t weld without knowing what their makeup is, so I was a little worried. No probs now.
Later.
Jack
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Thanks Sly,
I got a tube of that in my shop. I think I'll fill mine too. Thanks for the info. Finally cooled down here enough to go riding (although probably not the hot that you are used to). Cam.
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UPDATE... I agree that it is possible to overbuild and remove the flex factor, but these frame tab mounts are pure junk on the KX5. We are talking 20 year old mounting tab design.
In my opinion, the pipe, its tabs, and the anti-vibe brackets have enough flex to keep things from breaking. What is happening with my bike for example, is that the tabs on the frame just give out because they are just not in the right place for the aftermarket pipe. I believe that the FMF jig that makes the pipes is just not close enough. Everyone I know has to push the pipe up and in towards the top frame mount to get in bolted on. Then the front tab on the frame is too close to the pipe and the anti-vibe bracket is flexed to fit.
I will get the pictures of the front frame tab pipe mount mod on here ASAP so you can see the better alignment. I will also redo the rear frame tab pipe mount so the weak stock sheetmetal tabs will be gone from my bike. When I mount my pipe now, it just slips into the jug and spins freely right up to the top mount. I have ZERO flex or pressure put on any of the anti-vib tabs so they can do their job and not get torn due to the incorrect flexing put on them.
Sly
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A friend of mine had a new KX250 back in' 95 and a "friend" of his sold him his new hardly used FMF pipe.Well the mounts where off enough that it would melt a hole in your tank.FMF admitted that some of the pipes were welded in a bad jig,gave him a replacement pipe but not a new tank.I run a PC pipe and have broken pipe and frame mounts,welded my own on the frame and pipe and had no more problems.