KX Riders
General => In General... => Topic started by: umberto on October 24, 2016, 04:07:01 AM
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Dirt Rider keeps putting this out there. It was in this article:
http://www.dirtrider.com/2006-suzuki-rm125-project-bike-review (http://www.dirtrider.com/2006-suzuki-rm125-project-bike-review)
And in the new issue's 2017 RMZ 450 test. Anybody heard anything about it?
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I'm guessing if it's true then Suzuki is desperate and figures it can't hurt to try.
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It would be an interesting move if Suzuki did start making 125/250's again. I think they would greatly benefit from the 2 stroke movement that seems to be going on now. I personally ride a 2012 RM-Z450, and while I love it, and it's a great bike, they are really lacking in development. I see big changes coming soon from Suzuki.
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Dirt Rider did say that there are big changes coming for the four strokes in 2018 as well. It will be a big year for them. I hope Kawasaki is watching and wants to follow their lead. It would be nice to have a new green two stroke in my garage. :-D
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Dirt Rider did say that there are big changes coming for the four strokes in 2018 as well. It will be a big year for them. I hope Kawasaki is watching and wants to follow their lead. It would be nice to have a new green two stroke in my garage. :-D
Yeah, I really believe that they're going to undergo quite a few changes in the next coming year or two. KTM has just come and slaughtered everybody with their 250/300 2 stroke sales (which, they're awesome bikes, no contest about it). The green two strokes...we can only dream. :-D
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i heard about a rm125 and a kawi 125 2 stroke , there was a kawi rep saying about a new 2 stroke , but has been silent of late, kawi has been saying they will release around 12 new models in 2 years mainly road models lets hope they flick us a larger then there current biggest 2 stroke the kx100 , i would buy one to show them people do want them again.
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i heard about a rm125 and a kawi 125 2 stroke , there was a kawi rep saying about a new 2 stroke , but has been silent of late, kawi has been saying they will release around 12 new models in 2 years mainly road models lets hope they flick us a larger then there current biggest 2 stroke the kx100 , i would buy one to show them people do want them again.
Amen. I worry about parts availability on my trusty old two strokes going forward. Having a newer bike you wouldn't have to worry so much about it.
Did you hear that the KX125 would be a re-issue of the 2005, a updated 2005, or a version of the four stroke? I think my money's on the re-issue, but an updated or all new one would be cool too.
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Suzuki building two strokes again might help send a message! Hopefully it won't be a warmed over 2008 model which was the last year for the Suzuki RM250's. If they truly want to compete for off-road I think they need to make a yellow KTM. 300cc or bigger, electric starter, kick stand, headlight, spring forks...etc. The vast majority of the market is off-road not MX or SX. Building a large selection of good performing off-road machines is why KTM has dominated the market in recent years! One of the best bikes I ever owned was a "76" Suzuki RM370.
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Time will tell lets hope some good twoooes turn up .
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I brought that possibility up to Suzuki when I talked to them at the AIM expo, they do not have any real plans right now to introduce a new 2 stroke.
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I've been hoping for a new rm250. Traded my 08 rmz for an 05 Rm250 a couple weeks ago.
I would dam near kill for a new one
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your not the only one , make mine green please.
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I brought that possibility up to Suzuki when I talked to them at the AIM expo, they do not have any real plans right now to introduce a new 2 stroke.
I don't put much trust in what the people at the shows or dealers say. They don't seem to know what is going on from the times I have asked about new products. Whether the reason is keeping it secret so the sales of the old stock does not stop or they truly do not know the result is the same.
I am looking to upgrade my boat electronics and talked to a number of 'reps' that thought I should 'buy now' and nothing else new was going to happen. I called the factory and after pushing a 'tech' person about 'improved products' coming out he said, "Wait until January before you buy".
My 2012 VStrom 1000 was the same way, "Nothing new planned" though I like my '12 better than the new ones anyway.
The tech is for sure there now to bring a 'clean' 2 popper, both street or off road to the market. It is all about whether they think it will sell and be worth the effort. KTM sales kicking their butt's will help them make the decision! Once they take the step their manufacturing costs will be less than the 4 strokes.
I look to snowmobiles and outboards for something to salivate over. Stock 600's that put out 100 HP? Ohhh yeah... Not sure I would do the off road version as I am cutting back on the HiPo stuff I own but it would be tempting. Particularly if it had electric start!
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The original rumor came from Dirt Rider magazine. They seemed pretty convinced that it was going to happen. I think you are spot on about reps and dealers. They don't want to give away a secret or hamper existing model sales.
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Cernics had a petition at Lorettas I think for a new rm125
McGrath had a kx350 on his Insta gram asking Kawasaki to give us what we want.
My local Ktm dealer can't keep 300s in stock and they are considering beta just so they can get more 300 two strokes.
2 strokes are hot and something has got to give. 10 years of 4 stroke coolaid was too much for me.
I won't buy another new Bike unless it's an easy to ride mx 2 stroke. I don't want to Pay a premium for a ktm, as the goodies don't make me faster.
I've got two 3 year olds to buy bikes for as they get older. No way am I going to buy 4 strokes that I can't even work on. I'll rebuild old bikes if I have to.
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Cernics had a petition at Lorettas I think for a new rm125
McGrath had a kx350 on his Insta gram asking Kawasaki to give us what we want.
My local Ktm dealer can't keep 300s in stock and they are considering beta just so they can get more 300 two strokes.
2 strokes are hot and something has got to give. 10 years of 4 stroke coolaid was too much for me.
I won't buy another new Bike unless it's an easy to ride mx 2 stroke. I don't want to Pay a premium for a ktm, as the goodies don't make me faster.
I've got two 3 year olds to buy bikes for as they get older. No way am I going to buy 4 strokes that I can't even work on. I'll rebuild old bikes if I have to.
Amen! I think that's what we are all doing with our bikes, and it's costing the factories millions of dollars. Enough is enough with the 4 strokes. The 4 stroke race bikes can't pass an emissions test (one of the reasons they dumped the "dirty" two stroke), and most of us don't have to worry about green stickers or emissions anyway. I can ride my closed course 2 strokes anywhere I want to around here. KTM is killing the Japanese companies because they can spend more on R&D, which is partially funded by selling as many two strokes as they can make in a year. Wake up before it's too late Kawasaki. Okay, I'll get off my soap box now. :-D
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I have no doubt when one or all of the 'Big Four' decide to jump in it will be impressive. Hopefully they won't just bring back an old model. That would not do... :-(
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I'd love to see a KX350... :-o
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I'd love to see a KX350... :-o
Here you Go! If it's photoshopped it's like fake boobs.
I prefer the real thing but wouldn't turn it down
https://www.instagram.com/p/BKI8oPxgvEk/?hl=en
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Man, that's sexy. I'll take one Kawasaki.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag75/umberto_32/0420BC12-43CA-41F9-A34F-0797DF65EAA9_zpspgovkjv5.jpeg~original)
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Full pic from vitalmx.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag75/umberto_32/95FE5AD3-262C-466D-8A9D-BD2E6BAA52CE_zpsob0dgdlh.jpg~original)
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I forgot to mention the Rm250 Rch built for Roczen.
He wanted to race it once he had the championship wrapped up at the last round. The Bike was built but illegal to race due to its age.
www.instagram.com/p/BJkiBthgo0e/?hl=en
http://m.vitalmx.com/forums/Motodrive/Bike-Builds,46
Go to vitals website and look at the Bike build forums.
Mostly 2 strokes, and a lot of them are RMs.
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I wish, but if Kawasaki does not want to pay to support an off road team, they are not going to pay to put in the R&D on a new model dirtbike. Thanks Villopoto
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I wish, but if Kawasaki does not want to pay to support an off road team, they are not going to pay to put in the R&D on a new model dirtbike. Thanks Villopoto
Good point, but a guy can dream. :-D Honestly, I think if they do come out with anything it will be a warmed over 250 like the YZ250X. I would take a 2004 or 2007 motor in the 2017 chassis if they want to do that. I'm not picky...
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Full pic from vitalmx.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag75/umberto_32/95FE5AD3-262C-466D-8A9D-BD2E6BAA52CE_zpsob0dgdlh.jpg~original)
Dang! That is HOT!
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I hope kawi does something for 2018 models , a kx350 2t would sell well with the older guys. a new kx125 would fill the gap between 85 and 250f only if they run a separate class .a new klx 450 is needed based of kx but with spring forks, and for the cherry on top kdx350 with rego to keep the coppers of our back , enduro bikes in australia dont sell without rego . wish list .
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Here is a photo of what MXA assumes is the 18 RMZ 450 in full works guise. Looks to be pretty different from the 2017 RMZ.
Works Bike:
(http://motocrossactionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/2018suzukirightside.jpg)
2017 RMZ for Comparison
(http://motocrossactionmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/RM-Z450SUZUKI2017.jpg)
At least they were right about the big changes coming to the RMZ. Come on two strokes...
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theres one new Suzuki. I hope new models keep coming
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From ViralMx via Dirt Bike's Instagram. Not saying it's a production model, but still cool.
(http://p.vitalmx.com/photos/forums/2017/04/13/187794/s1200_IMG_1582.jpg)
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Dirtbike also had this video. Fake but still cool.
I'll be buying a new RM250 asap if actually hits the production line.
https://youtu.be/UpNY1Mpz6GE
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it getting to the stage were i believe when i see it with a new jap 2 stroke , as for the new rmz 450 it playing catch up to the rest , then after this year it wont hardly get touched again or it could end up like the 250 were they did all these changes to the engine and was no better.
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Dirt Bike is going to feature that aluminum frame conversion in an upcoming issue. Looks like it was built for the two stroke world championship.
(http://i1299.photobucket.com/albums/ag75/umberto_32/60BC7E07-6C5C-4CCF-8C86-B555306A4152_zpsk313ovai.jpg~original)
And yes Dirt Bike, if Suzuki built it people would buy it.
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I'll be watching the KTM's with their new fuel and oil injection. The Japanese IMO will have to offer something similar with electric start and weight to be competitive.
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The sad part is that all Suzuki really needs to do to make the conversion on a production bike is to update a couple of frame pieces. They can use the plastic, seat, suspension, tank (with simple block off plate), etc. It looks like the factory exhaust would even work. It would be pretty low buck to update the chassis to work with the two stroke motors, and would lower the per unit costs on the four strokes as well because they are buying more of the same pieces.
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It's strange... I wonder if the Japanese are blind as to what happens in Austria and anywhere else besides a Super Cross track?
It wasn't that many years ago that Orange bikes were a oddity in just about any race in the USA.
And now..... It's totally flipped, they are everywhere and, they are expensive in comparison to the Asian bikes.
So what is the lessons that Suzuki could learn from KTM?
Cheaper doesn't mean more sales...
Give riders their choice, 2t vs 4t.
Build good versions of either.
Sure, Suzuki could come out with a 07 2t motor in a new chassis but I think they need more..
Fuel injection would be a good start but you can still do a lot with a carb.
Electric start would be nice.
Better brakes could be had for a minimal investment, just make the rotors 10mm bigger then your competitors..
Suspension... It's not brain surgery, take a look at what aftermarket companies are doing in their re-valve kits and offer a upgrade.
Lighten it up skippy... We love how lite our 2ts are... Make them lighter without sacrificing reliability. How?
Engineer it.... Then toss in some titanium where it will matter the most.. and use some titanium Bolts.. They are already buying Chinese parts why not get some cheap Chinese bolts where they are non critical?
Engines... Just drop in a KX500.... Or, redesign your setup with a better exhaust valve system.
I'll be happy to help :-)
Do some micro polishing, Cryo, WPC, coatings... Something..
Bigger bore sizes... We are so stuck on 250T's or 500's... Give us a 300 350, 400... 403.5 I don't care... More displacement... More torque... Torque is good right?
Balance the crazy thing...
Offer lights... Not a dull yellow bulb but a serious night time flame thrower....
There are a multitude of different things they can do.... We are all sitting here waiting for someone to take the first step... Well, second step since KTM has probably already been there and done that...
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It's strange... I wonder if the Japanese are blind as to what happens in Austria and anywhere else besides a Super Cross track?
It wasn't that many years ago that Orange bikes were a oddity in just about any race in the USA.
And now..... It's totally flipped, they are everywhere and, they are expensive in comparison to the Asian bikes.
So what is the lessons that Suzuki could learn from KTM?
Cheaper doesn't mean more sales...
Give riders their choice, 2t vs 4t.
Build good versions of either.
Sure, Suzuki could come out with a 07 2t motor in a new chassis but I think they need more..
Fuel injection would be a good start but you can still do a lot with a carb.
Electric start would be nice.
Better brakes could be had for a minimal investment, just make the rotors 10mm bigger then your competitors..
Suspension... It's not brain surgery, take a look at what aftermarket companies are doing in their re-valve kits and offer a upgrade.
Lighten it up skippy... We love how lite our 2ts are... Make them lighter without sacrificing reliability. How?
Engineer it.... Then toss in some titanium where it will matter the most.. and use some titanium Bolts.. They are already buying Chinese parts why not get some cheap Chinese bolts where they are non critical?
Engines... Just drop in a KX500.... Or, redesign your setup with a better exhaust valve system.
I'll be happy to help :-)
Do some micro polishing, Cryo, WPC, coatings... Something..
Bigger bore sizes... We are so stuck on 250T's or 500's... Give us a 300 350, 400... 403.5 I don't care... More displacement... More torque... Torque is good right?
Balance the crazy thing...
Offer lights... Not a dull yellow bulb but a serious night time flame thrower....
There are a multitude of different things they can do.... We are all sitting here waiting for someone to take the first step... Well, second step since KTM has probably already been there and done that...
Those are all great points. What does Suzuki have to lose? They are a distant fifth in everything, and people aren't buying their 4Ts anyway. Maybe they should take a page out of KTM's book and offer the bikes that no one else does (350 2T?). That's what got KTM going in the early years.
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Those are all great points. What does Suzuki have to lose? They are a distant fifth in everything, and people aren't buying their 4Ts anyway. Maybe they should take a page out of KTM's book and offer the bikes that no one else does (350 2T?). That's what got KTM going in the early years.
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Those are all great points. What does Suzuki have to lose? They are a distant fifth in everything, and people aren't buying their 4Ts anyway. Maybe they should take a page out of KTM's book and offer the bikes that no one else does (350 2T?). That's what got KTM going in the early years.
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NO 2-strokes from suzuki. RMZ will be the only new bike from suzuki this year XD
"Suzuki Motorcycles Australia Thanks for your comment from a die hard fan. Our goal is to keep the bike at a sub $8000 rrp which we have achieved. This motorcycle has sold over 18000 units in Australia and we have many happy customers. The RM85 does have new bodywork, check our dealerships in Australia. In fact we are offering a race kit valued at over $1000 and it is the second best selling 85 in Australia. Not far behind the KTM in fact. In regards to a RM250 our focus is on 4 stroke machines. Yes we'd love both but the market does not justify making 2 strokes."
Source (comments) - https://www.facebook.com/Suzuki.Motorcycles/posts/10154822851757865
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I guess that makes sense if you use Suzuki logic. Why give people what they want when you can just declare bankruptcy? :-D
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I guess that makes sense if you use Suzuki logic. Why give people what they want when you can just declare bankruptcy? :-D
According to the financial reports, suzuki has had big double digit growth for the last couple of years already so they should be flushed with cash. It seems though they are pushing into cars instead of motorcycles sadly.
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If all the Japanese manufacturers keep ignoring the off road enthusiasts they better all start making more cars...
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Suzuki Motorcycles USA had to declare bankruptcy a few years back, so I think you are right about focusing on cars. I pretty much write them off when they make the ridiculous statement, "Yes we'd love both but the market does not justify making 2 strokes.". They might want to try running that statement by KTM, Beta, Sherco, Gas Gas, and even Yamaha. By the way, KTM sells more two strokes than you sell dirt bikes Suzuki. Have fun being fifth (or sixth if you count Husqvarna separately) in every test.
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If all the Japanese manufacturers keep ignoring the off road enthusiasts they better all start making more cars...
Amen!
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NO 2-strokes from suzuki. RMZ will be the only new bike from suzuki this year XD
"Suzuki Motorcycles Australia Thanks for your comment from a die hard fan. Our goal is to keep the bike at a sub $8000 rrp which we have achieved. This motorcycle has sold over 18000 units in Australia and we have many happy customers. The RM85 does have new bodywork, check our dealerships in Australia. In fact we are offering a race kit valued at over $1000 and it is the second best selling 85 in Australia. Not far behind the KTM in fact. In regards to a RM250 our focus is on 4 stroke machines. Yes we'd love both but the market does not justify making 2 strokes."
Source (comments) - https://www.facebook.com/Suzuki.Motorcycles/posts/10154822851757865
Well thats a bummer. but atleast i have an 05 rm250 and the 500 conversion.
Press release was yesterday for the 2018 RMZ450.
Sounds like a great bike in the suspension department.
We'll see what the tests say about it.
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https://youtu.be/t4CNNTXeQew
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Another air fork bites the dust. It seems only KTM was able to figure it out.
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Here's a copy and paste from Kyle Bentley who is part of Team RCH. They are doing a q and a on vital with him right now. Maybe all hope has not been lost for a new RM250
No doubt right now I would take an RM250. Down at the race shop we've built three of them over the last year (Roczen, Bogle and HART) and currently one is in transit from Florida as RC4 wants his rebuilt for some special projects he has going on coming up later this year. Chris Wheeler from Suzuki is loving us right now because it's two-stroke mania going on. I think it's coming full circle and hope Suzuki jumps back on board and sees the overwhelming demand for two-strokes again. Every amateur race the largest classes are the two-stroke schoolboy classes. I know Suzuki R&D has built an aluminum frame prototype (they did a beta test survey at Loretta Lynn's last year) and also an aluminum-framed 250 (Jake Weimer recently rode on the Suzuki test track in California a few weeks ago). Will keep our fingers crossed.