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General => In General... => Topic started by: umberto on July 22, 2015, 09:11:47 AM

Title: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 22, 2015, 09:11:47 AM
This article was just e-mailed out by Dirt Bike.

http://dirtbikemagazine.com/home-features/hondas-two-stroke-plans (http://dirtbikemagazine.com/home-features/hondas-two-stroke-plans)

(http://dirtbikemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/HONDA-TWO-STROKE-812x1024.jpg)
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: alexander-vmann on July 22, 2015, 02:22:47 PM
someone said that it was just honda re applying one of their old patent's, but fingers crossed that they'l but it ona dirtbike, i wonder tough is this engine currently in production?
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: sandblaster on July 22, 2015, 05:10:59 PM
To bad it's for some industrial application  :oops:
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 01:29:44 AM
To bad it's for some industrial application  :oops:
I read another article that addressed that very issue.  They said that if it works well in industrial applications, it would be more likely to trickle down into other areas.  I'm just encouraged that the "four stroke only" company is looking at two stroke design again.  I keep thinking the Japanese have realized they need the two stroke to be successful.  Something KTM already knows.
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: 81cr450 on July 23, 2015, 01:54:21 AM
The real shame is none of them can look @ a place like service Honda. You got guys shelling out $$$ for old tech big bores if anyone brought just a super sized modern 250 to 500  engine you couldn't keep them stock .

20 years of parts supply is getting real close to the end of the run.
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: Motorrad on July 23, 2015, 01:55:54 AM
ktm should bring back a modern injected 6speeed incarnation of the 550......

Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 02:57:20 AM
I think the dual sport market would go crazy for a bigger (350 cc +) DI two stroke.  Light, fast, and kick ass in the dirt. 
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: Brute on July 23, 2015, 03:18:35 AM
ktm should bring back a modern injected 6speeed incarnation of the 550......




And bump it to 750 just to make all you guys salivate!  :-o
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 03:26:10 AM
Like a larger version of this monster?  It makes children cry just sitting there...

(http://www.atkmotorsports.com/images/bikes/atk700Intimidator2008.jpg)
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 03:28:10 AM
Or something like this.   :-o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1weWqDdqBZ0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1weWqDdqBZ0)
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: Foxx4Beaver on July 23, 2015, 08:48:50 AM
Like a larger version of this monster?  It makes children cry just sitting there...

(http://www.atkmotorsports.com/images/bikes/atk700Intimidator2008.jpg)

 too bad they were one of the biggest mistakes in motocross...next to the Cannondale.
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 08:54:41 AM
It still surprises me that Sherco (France), Gas Gas and Beta (Spain), and KTM (Austria) can build bikes and import them into this country and we don't have one domestic dirt bike manufacturer.  We can make ATVs and UTVs, but no dirt bikes.  It's kind of sad really, none of those European countries are industrial powerhouses or anything.
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: alexander-vmann on July 23, 2015, 09:12:45 AM
It still surprises me that Sherco (France), Gas Gas and Beta (Spain), and KTM (Austria) can build bikes and import them into this country and we don't have one domestic dirt bike manufacturer.  We can make ATVs and UTVs, but no dirt bikes.  It's kind of sad really, none of those European countries are industrial powerhouses or anything.

it's even sader that norway produced a dirtbike (tempo cross) but had to stop in the 60's i can only imagene what it could have been,

however isn't atk still making bikes?
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 09:21:40 AM
Their website only lists street bikes anymore, and those say 2014 models.

http://www.atkmotorcyclesusa.com/ (http://www.atkmotorcyclesusa.com/)
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 09:28:21 AM
About all you can get from American "manufacturers" is Chinese made stuff.  Pitster Pro makes a decent little bike, but they don't have a big bike program.  Unless you count this bike that looks to be a Honda knock off.  It looks like they are having trouble getting them in the country, it still says "available November 2013".   :roll:

(http://pitsterpro.com/uploads/fitted/lxr2502.jpeg)
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 09:52:18 AM
Hold the phone, yes there is an American motorcycle manufacturer.  Cobra!

(http://p.vitalmx.com/photos/stories/2013/09/21/max_2014_CX65_002_292986.jpg?1379794114)
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 09:55:40 AM
Now if we could just get them to make an 85, 125, 250, 300, and 500 version of their bikes.  Oh, and a 550 for Motorrad and 750 for Brute.
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: sandblaster on July 23, 2015, 12:57:38 PM
http://www.cobramotorcycle.com/v2_aboutcobra.asp (http://www.cobramotorcycle.com/v2_aboutcobra.asp)
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: umberto on July 23, 2015, 01:21:37 PM
http://www.cobramotorcycle.com/v2_aboutcobra.asp (http://www.cobramotorcycle.com/v2_aboutcobra.asp)
This line gives you some hope...

"As for other models and other markets, all we’ll say for now is that we are constantly thinking, dreaming, and working on what’s next. Our goal will always be to design and develop products that offer the best combination of performance, ease of maintenance, and great styling. Stay tuned right here to catch a first cut at what’s next!"
Title: Re: Honda has not given up on the two stroke?
Post by: alexander-vmann on July 23, 2015, 02:54:13 PM
my country made a two stroke once!

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f373/Alexander_Veldman/cross_bane1_s_zpsryji4qvg.jpg)