KX Riders
Maintenance & Technical => KX250 / KX125 => Topic started by: LukeG on February 02, 2015, 05:34:50 PM
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I finally thought it was a good time to share what I have been up to with my 250 since I joined. I bough a 1990 KX250 from my father in-laws neighbour which had been parked for about 8 years. It was sitting in a little garden shed getting full sun on it every day. The forks were absolutely cactus, the outer tube on the uppers was starting to oxidise and corrode, they were coming apart as if they were cast iron. Anyway here's how the bike looked when I brought it home.
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My plans for the bike are to make it into a road racing motard so I can use it in period 6 historic racing. I already have a DRZ 400 that I raced until on of the crank bearings let go mid race. Everyting on the bike must be period correct so I needed a decent set of forks to go on it. Ebay scan and found a nice pair in the UK. Took the newer forks and the shock to the local suspension guy and asked him to do what he could with them to make them better for road racing.
Things like this are always a nice thing to find!
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I tore the bike down as best I could, half the bolts were rusted or the threads stripped. The top end actually looked pretty good but there was no coolant or oil in the thing and the crank seals looked well past their use by date.
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I plan on getting the frame, sub-frame and shock mounts powder coated but I need to make a new mounting tab for the radiator and get a few holes in the bottom of the frame repaired before that happens. The engine has been completely stripped and I am off to get the cases repaired and vapour blasted some time this week. The engine looks like it has had a hard but loved life. The PO just putted around on it through the bush. What happened before that I don't know. All I know is the main bearing holes in the cases have steel bushes in them, there is some weld repairs in places and there was about 1/8 of an inch of sealant between every mating surface.
I will do some more updates tomorrow.
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Cool build Luke.
Vapor blasting will make those cases look better then new :-D
Post lots of pics 8-)
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Can anyone please tell me the colour Kawasaki painted the swing arm back in 1990? I want to make it look original from a distance, I know it's grey but what shade, mines too scratched up and worn out to get a decent sample to colour match.
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Man! I hope you got a good deal on it. It looks a bit worn! Course projects don't always make sense on the 'money' end of things. I probably have twice into my KX5 street legal SuMo what it is worth. :-o
Try and not do that any more though. :-D
Good luck with the build and keep the pics coming!
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Thanks brute, the bike cost $300. I have been keeping an eye out and there was a nice looking 90 went for just over $4000 on eBay last week.
So I spent nearly an hour at a local paint supply shop trying to match the swing arm colour, I found an auto colour that was very close and has a little bit of metallic in it. I think it will look good. I am taking the swing arm to get soda blasted Monday and I will be trying to get the engine parts vapour blasted this week as well. The guy I want to use is a short hour and a half drive away on a good day.
I got most of the engine bearings from a local bearing shop, there were a couple they didn't have, so I placed a large order from Partzilla. I needed new side power valves as they were looking pretty worn. The valves for the 93 are no longer available but they are all but the same through to 02 just the slots are a different size. They are actually smaller on the later valves. The pinion gear is also worn but it is no longer available. I found an alright looking one online, so we will see how that works out.
I have taken heaps of photos for my own reference so I will post a few up when I get onto a PC.
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Been a while for updates on here. Progress has been slow but I am getting there.
Got the swing arm soda blasted ready for painting, tried my best to colour match to OEM. Just need to sand and clear coat it.
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My new Lectron carby showed up today.
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Bought a ton of stuff off fleabay and the likes.
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I dummy fitted a 92 crank into the 90 cases and it clears also a 93 and 99 cylinder will bolt onto the cases. I picked up some brand new crank halves, so they along with the 93 cylinder and head have been sent off to Pinsonnault Racing to get Todd and the team to work their magic. 295cc of goodness coming up. I have a 4 piston Brembo supermoto caliper to go on. Forks and shock have been rebuilt and setup for supermoto. I picked up a PSI and FMF Fatty pipe, still not sure which one I am going to use yet, I think I will let the butt dyno figure that one out. No pictures of this stuff at this stage.
I also managed to get my hands on a factory green powerband! :-D
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that carb is f**king sweet! :mrgreen:
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I also managed to get my hands on a factory green powerband! :-D
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That's what a powerband looks like. I could never find the one on my bike. :-D
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It has been a while since I updated this thread. Progress has been slow and steady. My cases were pretty trashed and locally going to cost me a lot to fix them up. Fortunately I found a set of cases in the states and had them shipped to Blaster. Mike and his team welded the sump plug hole and cleaned the cases like new. He also sent me a tin of Timesaver.
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I sent off my 93 cylinder and 92 crank to Pinnsonault for boring, porting and a rebuild. I was very happy when I got them in the mail. I didn't take any close up pictures yet!
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I also received my package from RSW Racing.
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13mm offset triple clamps!
I bought myself a little arc welder as I need to repair the frame in a few places.
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Also it's an advantage to work for a large manufacturing company when you need to make a new bracket with a nut projection welded onto it.
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Also welded up the foot peg brackets as they are really flogged out. Nice new cast titanium pegs to go in there when done.
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And of course lots of new little bits and pieces.
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I have painted the swing arm, the colour I ended up using was an auto colour called Iceberg Mica. I like how it came up. It was a cold winter by Australian standards so it made painting things difficult but after a few goes and a lot of sanding I am happy with the results. Just need to apply the Uni-track decal.
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I also bead blasted and painted the steel swing arm linkage plates as they were a little rusty and need a pretty up. Also to get some more arc welding practice in, I made a little frame to hold the engine once I get the cases together.
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I have this week off work so I am hoping to get the frame sand blasted, then I am going to crack test it and repair any rusted areas and cracks. I already cut one piece off the frame as you could see it was all rusted out and I wanted to know what size tube I would need to place it with.
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You would be surprised how hard it has been to find replacement steel tube off the shelf in my area so I turned up some.
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Also where the rivot goes into the subframe for the plastics has been drilled out and a nut and bolt used. I will be getting the holes welded up and I have a new rivot to go in there. The seat mounting holes are also stripped out so I am going to rethread them before sending both frame off to be powder coated.
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The great news is, as I am typing this up, I got a text message on my phone telling my I have won one million pounds! :-o They just want all of my personal details so I can claim the prize.
Seems legit!!!
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The left hand side power valve, the one which has the gear on top, was worn on the lower gear and when Todd reassembled it would slip and sometimes not open or sometimes not close properly. Of course I could just take them out but I am worried about the hit that could come without them in there. I found a new RH side valve but the LH ones are no longer available. I bought one from a 99 as they are the same just a smaller diameter and have been thinking about fitting a sleeve onto it.
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The other thing is the mouth on the later ones is narrower, as the picture shows, so I am think about experimenting with different widths to see if it has any effect. The main thing will making sure they are no wider than the exhaust ports. I will see how that goes.
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A little more progress has been made. I had the frame and subframe blasted to get a better look at what sort of condition they are in. I have crack tested them both and need to do a fair bit of repair to the main frame as you can see.
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Can I also vent over a little frustration I had this week. I thought I had misplaced my clutch hub inner, so I hit up blaster too see if he had one. He unfortunately didn't, but he shared a few links on eBay for one. I bought one advertised as a 91 KX250 Clutch Hub Inner from Independent Cycles, it's the same part number as a 90. Turns out it was not off a 250, although the seller swears black and blue that it is. Here are some of the emails we exchanged after I requested a refund for receiving a part that was not as advertised.
Here's what happened
Oct. 23:The case was put on hold
Oct. 23:Case opened
Oct. 20:Seller approved your return
Oct. 20:You sent a message
Comments:My bike is a 1990 model, what I am saying is the part you sold me is not off a 1990 Kawasaki KX250 or any other model KX250. It does not fit on the shaft splines, it is too small in diameter for the clutch plates that i have which are the correct OEM parts for a 1990 Kawasaki KX250. I am asking for a refund because the part you sold me is not what you claimed it to be. I am happy to return the item to you for further inspection and validation that it is not indeed from a 1990 or 1991 Kawasaki KX250. Also the factory part numbers for the clutch hub inner for a 1990 KX250 and a 1991 are exactly the same and they are also interchangable with the 1993, 1995 and 1995 parts. I believe you have supplied me with parts off a 1990 Kawasaki motorcycle but the engine was not a 250cc capacity. I will be following this matter up with eBay and I have purchased another part for my bike qand will be able to prove that the part you sold me was incorrectly listed.
Oct. 20:The seller sent you a message
Comments:yes its directly off a 90 frame number given, not 1991 like your bike, no one said it would fit a 91 , there is nothing in our listing that says that, so don't know where you get that our listing is wrong? Did someone here tell you it would fit a 1991 ? don't see that email or in our listing anywhere. But yes you can send it back for a refund.
Oct. 19:You sent a message
Comments:Yes it is. I didn't have one to compare it to so I took your ad on face value and when I went to install it, it does not fit. The item you sold is not what you claimed it to be.
Oct. 19:The seller sent you a message
Comments:But, is it the one in the picture?
Oct. 19:You sent a message
Comments:The part number for the clutch inner hub for a 1991 KX250 clutch inner hub is the same as the 1990 KX250 part number. The part you sent me is not off that bike and not as described. This is why I would like to return the item and obtain a refund.
Oct. 19:The seller sent you a message
Comments:Did you get the one in the picture? Did someone here tell you it would fit your machine? It was not sold for your application and the listing stated the engine number for your reference.
Oct. 19:You requested a return
Comments:Hello, the inner clutch hub I purchased was meant to be for a 1990 Kawasaki KX250, the one that I was sent is the incorrect one. It is smaller and doesnt fit on the crank shaft. I would like to return the item and receive a refund'
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So after all of this I will see what happens.
Thanks for watching!
Luke
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I got some 90 power valves, they are available still I think, I got mine from Japan.
But I had the same trobble as you, I got lots of parts that were wrong,