KX Riders
Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Original => Topic started by: zz3gmc on January 03, 2015, 04:57:37 PM
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Can anyone tell me what the differences are between a 90 KX500 crank and a 02? Are the crank tapers the same? Are flywheels interchangeable?
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http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=632&p=2462#p2462 (http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=632&p=2462#p2462)
I'm running a 89 crank in my 01 engine..
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http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=632&p=2462#p2462 (http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=632&p=2462#p2462)
I'm running a 89 crank in my 01 engine..
great write up.
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http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=632&p=2462#p2462 (http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=632&p=2462#p2462)
I'm running a 89 crank in my 01 engine..
great write up.
Expect for a few errors :lol:
""The 91 and earlier cranks have holes in the crank that make them lighter then the 92-04."" 88 and earlier have the crank holes/ it does Not make them lighter
""So my best prognostication is that 85-04 can all be swapped as long as you have the correct primary crank gear asy to match the crank you are using." " pre 87 cranks can not be used with 89on cases
""From what I can see, 85-87 kx500 crank shafts look identical."" 87 was first year of lighter crank
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more good info.
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So much for prognostication :lol:
I have some on this site saying the pre 91 cranks are lighter then the post 91.
So, the next time I get one I will weigh it so we can have proof one way or the other.
I'll start with the 92 and later since I have one on the shelf.
Unfortunately my scale only weighs by tenths of a lb so hopefully we will be able to see the difference, or not :|
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Thanks for the info!
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So much for prognostication :lol:
I have some on this site saying the pre 91 cranks are lighter then the post 91.
So, the next time I get one I will weigh it so we can have proof one way or the other.
I'll start with the 92 and later since I have one on the shelf.
Unfortunately my scale only weighs by tenths of a lb so hopefully we will be able to see the difference, or not :|
CRANKS 88on same weight , Think the 87 is also the same
85/86 Heavier {not sure by how much but a fair bit, alot more than a tenth of a lb}
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I'll scale some
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I'll scale some
Poifect 8-)
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92-04 KX500 Crank 9.45lb (As close as my freight scale will get)
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92-04 KX500 Crank 9.45lb (As close as my freight scale will get)
Crank Halfs product/part no is the same from 89/04 so there will be no differance
I have weight the 88 and that is also the same89on, {87 also looks similiar weight to the 88on but i do not have one}
85/86 also have the same part numbers/ weight {heavier} needs the wider pre 89 cases to fit in
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92-04 KX500 Crank 9.45lb (As close as my freight scale will get)
Crank Halfs product/part no is the same from 89/04 so there will be no differance
I have weight the 88 and that is also the same89on, {87 also looks similiar weight to the 88on but i do not have one}
85/86 also have the same part numbers/ weight {heavier} needs the wider pre 89 cases to fit in
case halfs 83-85 are the same (also reed cage and clutch cover gasket) ... 86-87... 88 is a bastard cylinder similar to 86 and 87 but clutch and transmission shafts are like the 89 and up and at least 89-2004 ...
the cranks would work in all engines, because same bore, stroke and crankbearings.. but watch out 83/84 is aircooled and has no gear for the waterpump ... 83-88 is the primary gear mounted with a big woodruff key . 89-2004 is a splined shaft on the right side.. 83-91 are similar weighted cranks ... 92-2004 is heavier weighted for more torque in offroad use (same reason for the changed ignition with the big flywheel) .
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92-04 KX500 Crank 9.45lb (As close as my freight scale will get)
Crank Halfs product/part no is the same from 89/04 so there will be no differance
I have weight the 88 and that is also the same89on, {87 also looks similiar weight to the 88on but i do not have one}
85/86 also have the same part numbers/ weight {heavier} needs the wider pre 89 cases to fit in
case halfs 83-85 are the same (also reed cage and clutch cover gasket) ... 86-87... 88 is a bastard cylinder similar to 86 and 87 but clutch and transmission shafts are like the 89 and up and at least 89-2004 ...
the cranks would work in all engines, because same bore, stroke and crankbearings.. but watch out 83/84 is aircooled and has no gear for the waterpump ... 83-88 is the primary gear mounted with a big woodruff key . 89-2004 is a splined shaft on the right side.. 83-91 are similar weighted cranks ... 92-2004 is heavier weighted for more torque in offroad use (same reason for the changed ignition with the big flywheel) .
Most of motopunk information on cranks is INCORRRECT dont know where u are getting it :-D
Correction below
83-87 is the primary gear mounted with a big woodruff key
88-2004 is a splined shaft on the right side {circlip}
pre 87 are the heavy cranks
pre 87 cranks cannot be used on 89/cases even if u change the clutch and primary gear
lighter crank from87/88 till 2004 same weight
U Got to Think how are they going to make the crank heavier in 92 without modifing the cases{please dont show me a works crank} :-)
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my infos come from my kawasaki dealer, here from the site, and there: http://www.cmsnl.com/kawasaki-kx500_model11963/ and if you know how to use google or another searching mashine, you find a lot more facts about the big green beast...
so you say my infos are incorrect?? i have to say, you have to do your home work much better !!
i dont spoke of the circlips on the crankshafts because i thought you know what we talk about here... :-P
if you change the cranks you always need the primary gear from the same years like the crank (only diference in the gears is the mounting to the shaft)
the heavier crank came in 92 because of the most people that used it for offroad and to bring more torque to the powerband in addition with the bigger statorplate and flywheel..
83-91 cranks have holes, that the 92-2004 dont have...
change in the cases is for the evolution of the powervalves 83-85 no powervalve, 86-88 has 2 vertical powervalves = 2 holes in the cases for the valve-shafts, 89-2004 became the mainvalve added ,so that are now 3 valves in and 3 holes in the crankcases ....83-88 have also a shorter second gear , that would changed in 89 (i have the newer longer second gear in my 86 kx500 engine) all other gears and shiftforks are also the same parts 83-2004 only the shafts would changed for another splining in the clutch hub . 83-87 have also different mounting for the countershaft-sprocket (big nut) 88-2004 with circlip...
why you think the cases would be changed for a heavier weighted crank?? from where comes your knowledge??
its the same part numbers 89-2004 only real difference between 86-2004 is the change of the clutch actuation in 88 and the 3rd hole for the exhaust valve since 89... last week i had a 2002 motor on the bench for replacing some damaged transmission parts... so it was side by side with my 88 engine... i have also complete 88 and 86 transmissions in spare and i know each screw on my bikes.
now you again dave... :wink: maybe do you want also share some knowledge about the kx250´s ??
and question: what year kx500 is this on the picture ??
(https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s851x315/10885406_1543181115898906_8641486729602513925_n.jpg?oh=19e353f349f7296b39ad38345397445e&oe=5527D88D)
now i´m excited for the answer 8-)
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83/ have not got time to be using google search engine :lol:
http://www.cmsnl.com would prove that crank part no are the same from 89/04
1989 e1 rh crank half http://www.cmsnl.com/kawasaki-1989-e1-kx500_model11971/crankshaft-rh_130371359/#.VK2JJiusVB0
2000 e12 rh crank half http://www.cmsnl.com/kawasaki-2000-e12-kx500_model11993/crankshaft-rh_130371359/#.VK2JoyusVB0
same part no on both part and no holes in 89 [SAME CRANK}
complete crank will have differant part numbers due to rod and big end bearing changes
and i have checked load of them on the bench
89 no holes
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg119/cr500-af/crankkxbalanced1.jpg)
88 with holes same weight
(http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg119/cr500-af/kx500%2088%20cases/SAM_0552_zpsba2dd392.jpg)
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the bike on this pic is brad lackeys full factory kx500 sr 1980/81 1982 he was the 500cc worldchampion, but on suzuki ...
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10881608_757471460974217_8041491635511511030_n.jpg?oh=88e6c33df8b4bd6bd68ba60266cafed8&oe=553D6A8D&__gda__=1429037365_87a19ffcec612448e057f533db0c24d9)
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my infos come from my kawasaki dealer, here from the site, and there: http://www.cmsnl.com/kawasaki-kx500_model11963/ and if you know how to use google or another searching mashine, you find a lot more facts about the big green beast...
so you say my infos are incorrect?? i have to say, you have to do your home work much better !!
i dont spoke of the circlips on the crankshafts because i thought you know what we talk about here... :-P
if you change the cranks you always need the primary gear from the same years like the crank (only diference in the gears is the mounting to the shaft)
the heavier crank came in 92 because of the most people that used it for offroad and to bring more torque to the powerband in addition with the bigger statorplate and flywheel..
83-91 cranks have holes, that the 92-2004 dont have...
change in the cases is for the evolution of the powervalves 83-85 no powervalve, 86-88 has 2 vertical powervalves = 2 holes in the cases for the valve-shafts, 89-2004 became the mainvalve added ,so that are now 3 valves in and 3 holes in the crankcases ....83-88 have also a shorter second gear , that would changed in 89 (i have the newer longer second gear in my 86 kx500 engine) all other gears and shiftforks are also the same parts 83-2004 only the shafts would changed for another splining in the clutch hub . 83-87 have also different mounting for the countershaft-sprocket (big nut) 88-2004 with circlip...
why you think the cases would be changed for a heavier weighted crank?? from where comes your knowledge??
its the same part numbers 89-2004 only real difference between 86-2004 is the change of the clutch actuation in 88 and the 3rd hole for the exhaust valve since 89... last week i had a 2002 motor on the bench for replacing some damaged transmission parts... so it was side by side with my 88 engine... i have also complete 88 and 86 transmissions in spare and i know each screw on my bikes.
now you again dave... :wink: maybe do you want also share some knowledge about the kx250´s ??
and question: what year kx500 is this on the picture ??
(https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/s851x315/10885406_1543181115898906_8641486729602513925_n.jpg?oh=19e353f349f7296b39ad38345397445e&oe=5527D88D)
now i´m excited for the answer 8-)
it looked like it got a disc brake up front on that picture / kind i threw me to a later year
did u check the info info on cranks, still saying they when heaver in 92? :-)
And i know Nothing about 250s or pre 85 500s
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this bike is full full factory worksbike as the kx420´s in1980-81 were sold to the public... you see the unitrak1 linkage with 2 vertical dogbones and the tokico disc brake that came in 82 to the kx125 and 250 ...
i ride and race kx 250´s and 500´s since 20 years now... but my first 500 i owned in 2011...
here is a very good article of the kx500 history...
http://dirtbikemagazine.com/industry-news/the-life-times-of-the-kawasaki-kx500