KX Riders
Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Original => Topic started by: KXcam22 on March 14, 2005, 05:26:05 AM
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I just took off the top end on my '92 for the first time. Last ride I was able to bump start it down a steep hill which means (to me) compression is down a touch. Barely noticable at the kickstart. After 12 seasons of riding the lack of top end wear is amazing. Cylinder is great, piston is still servicable and the power valve operates fine, no carbon to speak of. I'm an ex-pro MXer and although I don't ride as hard as I used to, the bike still gets ridden reasonably hard. The bike has only been raced 8 times but I still figure I must have 500 to 700 trail hours on it. The secrets: Run good 2-stroke oil and clean the filter lots. The bike has spent it's whole life on a diet of 60:1 Belray MC-1 with 4 or 5 seasons at 70:1. Kudos for good oil.
In the past I had a similar experiece with my 1979 Maico 400 race bike. In those days I ran 85:1 MC-1 (was the recommended ratio) and got over 50 MX races (plus 3 days/week practise) on a top end. Since that experience I have always run it in everything I own, outboard, snowmobile, chainsaw, weedwacker etc, same 60:1 ratio. I know there are lots of good oils out there, but the Belray MC-1 has been my long-term choice and it has proven itself once again. Cam.
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Good Info. I think a lot of guys forget about the importance of a clean air filter. Went to the local track this weekend and you would not believe how many bikes showed up at the track looking like they have never been washed I'm talking about mud not just some dust that could be easy to wash off. What I getting at is that if the bike looks like that first thing showing up at the track maintainance might be lacking. Today's dirt bikes are race machines that need coutinous maintainance. For oil I use Yamalube 2-R at 32:1 with Yamaha'a ring free. I have not tried to use a lighter ratio due to the fact my manual say's my 500 should run on 32:1. What do ya'll think?
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I run a "light" 40:1 of Maxima 927 ONLY!
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Yamalube 40:1.
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U guys might hate me 4 this!
But Yamalube in a Kawi hurts me!!!
Blue, won't mix with green!!!! :lol:
No, I know it's a good oil!!!! :wink:
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100:1 amsoil has always been my choice.
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100:1 :shock: WoW!!!!!
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According to my engine builder, Yamalube keeps the crank bearings alive the longest.
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50:1 BelRay H1R
btw, BelRays web site says this about the two premixes:
The diff betwix these two full synthetic ester based 2-stroke oils is simple. Bel-Ray MC-1 2-Cycle Synthetic Racing Lubricant must be pre-mixed at 50:1 and Bel-Ray H1R. Synthetic 2-Stroke Racing Oil is more flexible and can be mixed betwix 30:1 up to 50:1
So running MC1 at anything other than 50:1 is a no-no
p.s. kind of a cool page for general 2-smoke oil info: http://www.belray.com/consumer/Q&A%20pages/q&a2s.html
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Cam;
What would you run for a mostly stock KX5 in the high deserts.
@ around 2000/3000 feet alv. and @ around 75-85 degrees???
:?:
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I picked up some mobil1 mxt synthetic 2 stroke oil. Haven't tried it out yet, but I've heard alot of good things about it. Mostly that it doesn't carbon up the power valves. I was going to run 40:1, maybe I will try 50 or 60:1?? How much, if any, did running 100:1 mess with your jetting?
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I use Kawie Chem at 40 to 1 in El Paso desert with 50/50 race gas + 100 degree at 4000ft. !
Alan
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Nastynick: I ran the H1-R at 60:1 part of last season figuring it would be good for the powervalve. Ran fine BUT... spooge everywhere even with perfect jetting and 60:1. My silencer is gross, black mess dripping out. Yuk. Have you had this same experience? The 12 years of MC-1 left almost no carbon on the powervalve or elsewhere.
I did have a spooge problem early last year after I did a rebuild on the motor at the same time, I installed a new reed system and moose spacer. The bike ran OK, but didn't "yank my arms out of the sockets" like I expected it to after the rebuild. It also spooged really bad. I suspected jetting so removed the moose spacer and worked on jetting. I finally got it right and the spooge stopped. Now my K5 is SCARY FAST and I haven't seen any gunk yet.
Not to get too far off topic, but d**n! this bike is a screamer. I hate stories about drag races on bikes, but I got one I have to share. Most of my riding is in the mountains or on the track so I put a FMF Gnarly Torque on it and left it at stock gearing. The other day I was out riding with a bunch of my friends who all ride 4-wheelers. My buddy Jeff was on his DS650 with NOS and a turbo (it's scary fast too) and he pulled up next to me while we were riding. He gave me that look (you know, the one that says "go for it") and I hit the gas at the same time he did (and the NOS). I don't know how fast we were going when I finally chickened out (coming to some curves), but when I chopped the throttle, I felt the front wheel hit the ground. Didn't even know it was in the air. I was in 2nd when we started and 5th when we stopped. He pulled up next to me and give me a wierd look. Later he told me I pulled that wheely for over 3/4 of a mile and threw rocks from the rear tire about 30 yards behind me!
Funny thing is, my K5 used to be his and he GAVE (yes, gave, free, except that I had to fix it up) it to me a couple of years ago. Now he is eyeballing an 04 K5 at the local kawi dealer ship.
moral of the story: JETTING is key and nothing beats the KX500!
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Ams 100:1 has worked perfectly in all of my 2 strokes over the last 20 years. During the 80s, there was a few stories floating round saying it was unreliable due to the fact a lot of racers were using the stuff [road and M/X] and having failures. Stories got out of hand and the oil was a dirtyish word round here. We had this guy here called Wayne Hill, who raced late 70s early 80s RD 350/400. They used to call him ''Lean down Hill'' cause he used to run his Ams at 120:1 quite often resulting in engine failure. But also impressive rider and bikes he was a bit of a legend round here. And owning the local Yamaha franchise was always gonna be a help to screwing every little ounce of power out of the gear. Amsoil send me info of independent test and studdies into the oils on the market at the present time and how they stack up. From what I have read on the net and elsewhere good 100:1 is right up there. Being realitively new to the Kx5 scene, I cant really report on it effects on my 92 [which as it turns out was worn beyond repair before I got the thing]a mate of mine who is a very knowledgable chap when it comes to all motorcycles, has always used it and rates it as the best. Same goes for another mate who is the chief mechanic down at the local yamaha/ Kawasaki dealership. But its the old thing that people say, If it works for you then stick with it. :lol:
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I raced an rd400 a few years back in vintage classes. It was the "sieze queen". I ran that at 32:1, redline racing 2stroke oil (100% synthetic). Had the biggest jets I could run without it bogging. Still would lock up every now and then. :?
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Theres an RD 250 Daytona sitting in a container down at work. Belongs to a mate. Ram air head. Pollished up. Looks good. goes O.k. Not my idea of a fun bike tho.
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NastyNick,
KX500 rules!
:twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
//doordie
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KXcam22,
Am sure you know this. Yamaha injector oil(air cooled play bikes) and Yamaha's 2-R(2-Stroke Racing oil) are two differents oils. I would re-connect those oil injection on your little guy's bikes and try Yamaha's Ring-Free. I would also use that in all your two stroke(Your Outboard) and 4 stroke toys. I use Yamalube because I get a discount and I believe in their products. After I break in my new top end I may try 40:1 or 50:1 instead of 32:1. I use 32:1 just because my manual says to.
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Well, to add a chip to the block, I have used all oils, well those that are to name. First off, I used Klotz, mainly Super Tech (20% castor), then Benol, R2, H1R, Kaw Lube, and now MC1. I have never tried Amsoil due to the fact that a friend of mine fried his YZ250 running 100:1 and I don't want the same luck. Out of all, the MC1 is the ticket, I run it at 50:1, zero problems, zero spooge. Started running this from Cam's suggestion. That guy knows his stuff. 8)
[quote="NastyNick]
JETTING is key![/quote]
Yup, no modifications beats a correctly jetted bike. No, not even a serious bore job.
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Here's a vote for Belray MC-1 at 50:1 with 98 octane. Just had the barrel off my 03 KX5 after last years season which I clocked around 100 hrs or so of trail riding and top end was clean as a whistle. Just wiped off the combustion chamber and piston top, slipped on new rings and back together she went :lol:
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Cam, fuel stabiliser is a good move. I use it too. Specially when your filling a big can and it could sit round for a while. Fuels round here dont seem to have a very long life now days.
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But surely it must be better if the fuel is not swamped with heavy 2 stroke oil, like the higher the ratio the harder it must be for the enginge to combust the mixture? Lets face it 2 stroke oil is not a highly combustable substance. So a 100:1 mix has got to be more flamable than a 50:1 ratio. Ams oil 100 has protected my and quite a few others bikes particually well over the years. They have been into synthectics since 1972. Being US made I thought some of you dudes mite have been using it? They had some dumb multi-level marketing scheme here for a while trying to sell it. Only made a few a little better off. They have scrapped it now. I just buy it straight from the importer in bulk. Cheapest.
5 cents there.