KX Riders
General => In General... => Topic started by: reklessj on April 20, 2014, 06:43:22 AM
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So coming home from Corral Canyon yesterday I stopped in the Circle K here in Campo, CA. Well there was a B.L.M. Ranger pumping gas. I used to see maybe one a year out here until about 6 months ago, now i see em a couple times a week.They started red marking and pushing brush to block the local trails which have been created by none other than border patrol. So I strike up a conversation with Ranger Funk (really). Long conversation short he believes that in the coming years more land will be opened for ohv use, but all actions seem do contradict that. So ring in guys let me hear your opinion. Just so you all know Ranger Funk has been with the B.L.M. 23 + years. :evil:
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Fukc the BLM. We deal with their bull all the time up here in central California. Now, granted there are some rangers "Ranger Beer" which I know is not BLM, that was cool but most of you guys don't know about Clear Creek, dirt bike heaven in my opinion we show our opposition to the closure as much as possible :evil: long story short don't believe the BLM.
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Only met one good ranger... here in San diego. (and out in imperial valley). rest of them can eat me
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Dont get it twisted guys I can't stand em either!! The f*****$ blocked off all the trails I can ride right out of my gate!! I was trying to look on the bright side that maybe we will have more places to ride!! They're not really out here during the week so its still on,BRAAAAP!!!
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I was given a ticket a few years ago. There were no posted signs where I was riding. I told the ranger I'm 50 years old and all you need to do is tell me I can't ride here anymore and done deal? His response was "we are here to enforce today!" After that I lost respect for the paramilitary assholes! 6 months later they bulldozed the area and built the Clark County Shooting Park here in Las Vegas. It wasn't about the tortoise or environment just them being assholes!
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Historically any change in land use goes against off road enthusiasts.
So.... Will this mean more riding areas or less regardless of who enforces it?
Yep, you got it right, Less riding areas, more restrictions, greater cost, and more harassment.
Yes, we need to protect our environment but we need to do so in a common sense way where both our sport and our environment can coexist.
What has me worried is the "navigable waters" laws.
The term "navigable waters" of the United States means "navigable waters" as defined in section 502(7) of the FWPCA, and includes: (1) all navigable waters of the United States, as defined in judicial decisions prior to the passage of the 1972 Amendments of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act, (FWPCA) (Pub. L. 92-500) also known as the Clean Water Act (CWA), and tributaries of such waters as; (2) interstate waters; (3) intrastate lakes, rivers, and streams which are utilized by interstate travelers for recreational or other purposes; and (4) intrastate lakes, rivers, and streams from which fish or shellfish are taken and sold in interstate commerce.
From the current Governmental interpretation of this law they could shut down every riding area in Oregon that crosses a stream.
It's only going to get worse for us as time goes on, so what are we going to do to make the problem better?
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Historically any change in land use goes against off road enthusiasts.
So.... Will this mean more riding areas or less regardless of who enforces it?
Yep, you got it right, Less riding areas, more restrictions, greater cost, and more harassment.
Yes, we need to protect our environment but we need to do so in a common sense way where both our sport and our environment can coexist.
What has me worried is the "navigable waters" laws.
The term "navigable waters" of the United States means "navigable waters" as defined in section 502(7) of the FWPCA, and includes: (1) all navigable waters of the United States, as defined in judicial decisions prior to the passage of the 1972 Amendments of the Federal Water Pollution Control Act, (FWPCA) (Pub. L. 92-500) also known as the Clean Water Act (CWA), and tributaries of such waters as; (2) interstate waters; (3) intrastate lakes, rivers, and streams which are utilized by interstate travelers for recreational or other purposes; and (4) intrastate lakes, rivers, and streams from which fish or shellfish are taken and sold in interstate commerce.
From the current Governmental interpretation of this law they could shut down every riding area in Oregon that crosses a stream, and that means just about every riding area in Oregon.
It's only going to get worse for us as time goes on, so what are we going to do to make the problem better?
So what your saying is we will ride regardless of there unfair land grabbing or I should say I will be,the BLM is not following the law they following there own agenda I don't mean to be negative and I really don't say to much on this forum but this s**t really pisses me off.
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As long as the current laws are on the books and as long as the Government has the will to enforce them to their interpretation, we are in for a harder time in the future.
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Well put blaster!! Your points are very scary for the future of ohv users!! Hopefully things will change but it does not appear it will anytime soon. I guess we can always hope for big budget cuts to all enforcing jurisdictions :lol:
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I will most likely be pursuing a job with the BLM when I finish my degree because we need more enthusiasts within their ranks that know how to treat people and help keep these places open.
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Also I "borrowed" something from "their land" today:
(http://i.imgur.com/Pu2P5Bq.jpg)
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That is exactly what we need.
Happy turkey day :-D
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Yeah sounds like the right idea TJ!! Looks like you were satin good last night
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Ron Paul warned everyone about arming the BLM back in 97.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw_PMcVzfrU
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Playing the 'Devils Advocate' here.
More people out riding, more people going 'off trail' hill climbing where they should not and tearing up stuff. More damage. More erosion. I was out bird hunting with the wife in a well marked refuge (has been for many many years) open for 'walk in' and five dirt bikes that looked like a mix of teens and adults came in and rode a couple miles into it up hills and all over. Of course they were not staying on the access road. I am sure if you asked they would say "We didn't hurt anything". Probably the next group would say the same. And the next. It accumulates.
I am not saying everything BLM or enforcement does is right. They do not have the numbers to enforce area's against the "We didn't hurt anything" folks so they close and gate so it is harder to get in and corral riders to certain area's. The critters and plants that live in these area's deserve to have their 'space' too. Human encroachment is pushing wildlife into smaller and smaller area's too which is why we are having more 'big' critter human interaction.
We in the dirt bike community are our own worst enemy most of the time. If you had to hear the excuses and repeated BS the "We did not hurt anything" crowd lays down to the officers you would get tired of it too. No, I am not one. I am tired of seeing it too. That and the left or dumped crap left all over. Off the soapbox now. Maybe. Probably not. Pisses me off just thinking about it.
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Your right Brute.
We are our own worst enemies.
I have no problem with restricted area's, protecting wildlife, and the environment.
I do hunt after all so I want a healthy ecosystem :lol:
I guess the part that irks me is their lack of common sense when making and enforcing regulations.
Heaven forbid that you get caught shooting a tree in Oregon, it will now cost you 500 bucks.
How long will it be before we get limited to indoor riding arena's :?
Sounds funny but it may come to that for our children's children.
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I consider myself pretty lucky...coming from a family that's 80% into law enforcement, and myself working at my local Trial Court, I don't have to worry about any of the B.S. about "you can't ride here"..."you're destroying state/town property"....I can get out of just about any dirt bike issue...but don't take that the wrong way...I don't go out looking for trouble either. Luckily, there's still places within minutes of riding from my house that I've been riding at for 38-39 years, that are really cool and fun.
But it is getting harder and laws are getting tighter around here too.
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I consider myself pretty lucky...coming from a family that's 80% into law enforcement, and myself working at my local Trial Court, I don't have to worry about any of the B.S. about "you can't ride here"..."you're destroying state/town property"....I can get out of just about any dirt bike issue.
But it is getting harder and laws are getting tighter around here too.
Your right Brute.
We are our own worst enemies.
I have no problem with restricted area's, protecting wildlife, and the environment.
I do hunt after all so I want a healthy ecosystem :lol:
I guess the part that irks me is their lack of common sense when making and enforcing regulations.
Heaven forbid that you get caught shooting a tree in Oregon, it will now cost you 500 bucks.
How long will it be before we get limited to indoor riding arena's :?
Sounds funny but it may come to that for our children's children.
This is a complex issue dealing with Constitutional matters that have gone unresolved. Some of you may be aware that Utah, Arizona, Wyoming, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Idaho have met to pursue reclaiming "federal lands" to their respective States control. This all before the Bundy Ranch standoff.
Some of my opinions:
1- U.S. BLM and Forest Service should not exist. The States should manage the public lands in their borders. In the mean time the Agents should not be armed or involved in Law Enforcement.
2- I don't want current public land sold to the highest bidder. I believe the management should continue 4 fold: grazing, mining, timber, and recreation.
3- Protection of public land is a local and state matter. "BRUTE" you are right to want pubic land cared for properly. Wildlife thrives where the humans are this creates a need for common sense protection for humans first animals second (like I said my opinions here).
4- Blah blah blah I have many more but not enough time to go on :-D
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Two words:
Electric Dirtbikes
If no one can hear you, it's harder to be found.
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Have you seen the military's stealth dirt bikes?
http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=664 (http://www.oem-cycle.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=664)
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I've read about that. Isn't it supposed to have a 100 mile range?
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Yep.
Hit a couple of vids from the link I posted.
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Some of my opinions:
1- U.S. BLM and Forest Service should not exist. The States should manage the public lands in their borders. In the mean time the Agents should not be armed or involved in Law Enforcement.
I 100% agree. Why should they be armed? They should be land management, not law enforcement which is what they've become. If they have a problem or witness an issue they should call the local law enforcement to deal with it.
Who will go paramilitary next? The post office?
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So a little something to add here, my boys girlfriends dad is a supervisor for the imperial sand dunes and surrounding areas. Pretty cool dude and him and his family all ride. Hopefully will be getting out with them this winter and I will begin the interrogation 8-)
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... supervisor for the imperial sand dunes ...
This is the W O R S T blm shop around - it's sand man, not snot grass or horney toads. We spend our WHOLE LIVES for the sand & we get FENCES in the sand - all over :?
Hard to believe it's P U B L I C - L A N D STwo words:
Electric Dirtbikes
If no one can hear you, it's harder to be found.
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... supervisor for the imperial sand dunes ...
This is the W O R S T blm shop around - it's sand man, not snot grass or horney toads. We spend our WHOLE LIVES for the sand & we get FENCES in the sand - all over :?
Hard to believe it's P U B L I C - L A N D STwo words:
Electric Dirtbikes
If no one can hear you, it's harder to be found.
100% agree with you!!! It is outta control
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i used to live in western washington where weyerhauser owned anywhere there might be some open trails. normally i didnt hear anything of blm there. so here in nevada right over the hills where i live 2 houses away from a my friend that retired from blm after 30 years . did a lot of flying helicopters for firefighting . to be quite honest its not blm that really cares in this state . but the ranchers will shoot you iff your bike if you go thru a gate and dont close it. open range. i dont understand all the coastal states rules and regulations concerning orvs but here in nevada i jump on the bike and race the sherrifs kid down the street to the where the big sign that says 300 dollar fine for operation of orv withing 300 ft has been laying on the ground 10 feet or so away from the big galvanized post that we might as well hook the tether ball to. i think some of the regulatory stuff on dirtbikes is crap because once the plates slide a few more times California is moving away anyhow . so dig a trench all the way thru the crust to the mantle with a rear tire. i think a spark arrester has a good idea behind using it. dont want to light the desert on fire/. theyre just looking for more revenue and thats another reason nevada is the place to be owning orvs . any more west is a super vacation spot.