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Maintenance & Technical => KX500 Aluminum Frame Conversion (AFC) => Topic started by: alexander-vmann on February 28, 2013, 06:52:20 AM
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so i want to convert my kx250f or possibiliy build a kx500af. but the only one i can find to make a frame kit is mps. And all i've ever heard from guys buying such kits is bad! Wich makes me thin. Does anyone have a good experience with mps?
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Hello.
You might want to check out a previous thread.
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10927.0.html (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10927.0.html)
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Hello.
You might want to check out a previous thread.
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10927.0.html (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10927.0.html)
yes thank you i've allready seen that topic!. wich is why i started this one. i mean all the fabrication of mps could not possibili be that bad. Someone has to have a good experience! :?
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Good luck with that.
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Hello.
You might want to check out a previous thread.
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10927.0.html (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,10927.0.html)
yes thank you i've allready seen that topic!. wich is why i started this one. i mean all the fabrication of mps could not possibili be that bad. Someone has to have a good experience! :?
if somone has... I havnt met them...
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I can say that everytime I have heard someone speak of MPS it was in a very unsatisfied negative way. :|
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I am surprised he still does any business. He has botched more jobs and robbed more people than the gov't :lol:
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Reviving the dead...
http://www.bannedcr500riders.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=145656#145656 (http://www.bannedcr500riders.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=145656#145656)
Interesting pic
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hehe...that struck a nerve on MPS's end!!
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If someone said that about my business I'd be mad too but I would handle it a bit differently...
His attitude is probably half his problem.
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I remember Shlepys post/thread a couple years ago.....ugh, I don't blame any of his customers for trashing his work.
Hopefully he's gotten better.
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He is a bitch!!!!
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Looking at the welds they look to have good penetration but do not have the 'stack of dimes' look everyone wants. It does not make them bad welds. At least the ones I see. The brackets look a bit wonky though. Bad if the mounts have to be ground or modified to make parts fit too.
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I have scooters crf450/500 honda conversion chassis here at my place to be redone right now. It's beyond crude.
Besides the welding abilities there are plenty of bs aspects of an MPS bike like the plumbing component air bots etc. I'll be the first guy to tell you that a plumbing coupler rubber clamp is what I use for the aluminum airboot to carb fittings but I cut it off at 1" wide and it looks like a stock piece. The mps parts are that coupler with a pvc piece and some stack of multiple hose clamps that's all either sit against the chassis or the shock so he can try and get away with using the stock 4 stroke airboot. It's just hopelessly patched together work.
The engines he sells if you buy a complete bike are very hit and miss too. I worked on an engine from a bike he sold that when it was delivered had no 4th gear, turned out 3rd on the one shaft, both 4ths and a 5th were all screwed along with a fork. Customer are all the expense. Not my idea of buying a freshly built bike.
Every couple of months or so I get a facebook message from George wanting to know if I can sell him an engine. Then he'll send some compliments out etc until he reads another brutally honest post with something mps I've run into and he'll start into the beaking off again.
The welds aren't penetrated properly, I've seen what looks like mig and tig work from him. Both aren't any good. The way he did a gen5 honda for Charles stowers had the rads not fitting and by that I mean they leaned out off the frame at 30* just to have the tanks sit on the modified and moved up butchered Y piece. There wasn't a hope in hell of that combination ever working. Theyd even tried to fit the engine in the frame but had to use a skid steer to stress the rails apart enough to get the cases in the mounts.
It's all been 100% garbage from what I've seen.
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http://bannedcr500riders.com/board/viewtopic.php?t=14025&highlight=&sid=f802fb19d6d69969f0c41bc77e0f7bb4
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had to use a skid steer to stress the rails apart enough to get the cases in the mounts.
WTF?? :? :lol:...I can just imagine the look on a customers face if they were to walk in his shop to see how their bike was coming along....and see someone "stressing" the frame of their bike they're paying thousands for, with a skid steer...just to fit the motor :x
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Ouch! Yeah, that would be a bit much... A come along or 10 ton port a power would be fine :lol:, but a skid steer? Guess it depends on whether it was one of the big ones or the little bitty ones... :-o
I think it depends on the amount of correction. 4"-5" off correction is ok :-P but when you get above 9" it gets questionable. :roll: I suspect next we will hear about 'heat treating' aluminum frames with a rose bud.
Can not imagine this guy will last long with multiple people posting bad work. The worst would be if someone gets hurt.
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The worst would be if someone gets hurt.
yeah...that's just "it".....talk about taking your own life into someone else's hands there...hopefully that'll never happen.
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Yeah MPS is not a place I would trust
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I've heard nothing good about mps. I had the start of my build posted on Facebook. I just began the cutting and they starting bashing me saying they've never cut out the cradle of the bike and I'm doing it totally wrong and I should have brought it to them blah blah blah. Then they also claimed how I shouldn't listen to the forums about building af's because they're all a bunch of amateurs. I've seen some of the best builds I've ever seen on here, let alone the welding is night and day compared to their welds. The guy doesn't seem too nice, so I'm glad im doing it on my own because I won't rig it together because so the quality of the build will be very good compared to someone who's just doing it for the money. Also the guy who is welding my bike is very good, I've seen his work. I say if you want to build a bike do it on your own, or if you have the money get one through service honda\Kawasaki.
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Hahaha dan I just posted a new topic about this in the general section!
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Mps Racing
Hey Charlie you want to see our work? Post your s**t on someone elses page or call us if your serious I'm not in business to give out our secrets and we dont need your followers on their as wel...l not sure what your looking for but seems like you have a habit of just popping in now and then and starting s**t. You have our number..... here it is 419-351-4707 We are ready to make your KX450 10 lbs lighter with 10 more HP Thanks
Charlie Lacroix
11:30am
Charlie Lacroix
Post my s**t on someone elses page? wow man, what are you talking about? I'm just curious as to how your stuff holds up and what it looks like... I don't feel comfortable sending my stuff to you if your going to f**k it all up and send it back to me... How am i supposed to know what your stuff looks like if you won't show me? You ignored my request several times... My guess is you actually do crappy work, only reason i say that is because of what everyone else tells me...
Charlie Lacroix
11:33am
Charlie Lacroix
I've read lots and lots of horrible reviews of your company and the kind of work that you do... I wanted to give you a chance to send me some pics of what you do to prove them wrong and earn my trust and business... your insanely rude response only tells me one thing... Your a complete Ass Hole that rips people off... I only asked nicely to see what you can do and offer me...
Charlie Lacroix
11:37am
Charlie Lacroix
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php/topic,13589.0.html
is this your work? lol
Mps Racing
2/24, 11:38am
Mps Racing
f**k you click I live doing this with clowns like you
This is my conversation with him after asking to see some pics of his work... what an ass hole...
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HAHA told every body GEORGE FARNELLI was a useless prick,I HAVE ONE OF HIS BIKES. f**k YOU GEORGE.
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He completely flipped out simply by me asking to see his work...
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he is a dip s**t Charlie every one who knows me knows I don't say much but this prick touches a nerve
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I'm going to host a few MPS photos in my skydrive if anyone needs a solid spot to find them for reference :-P
https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=BD4AA2685D9BF2E9&id=BD4AA2685D9BF2E9%2156518 (https://onedrive.live.com/?cid=BD4AA2685D9BF2E9&id=BD4AA2685D9BF2E9%2156518)
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Not my pictures, just gathered
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" I'm not in business to give out our secrets "
loss for words.
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Guys, I'm building a MPS K5 hybrid right now. In fact, I just got off the phone with George about a mix-up on my pipe I vented about over on my 500AF thread (1990 KX 500 to 06 KXF 450 Kwackerman). He's beinding over backward to make this right. It seems Dynoport misstamped my pipe and I actually got a 250 pipe and some guy in canada got my 450 pipe for his 250.
I've been working with George since late October and he's been very agreeable and responsive. I like my frame and you can see tons of picks on my thread of all his work. It's not factory, but the welds are all good and strong. I haven't completed the bike and ridden it yet, but I should have it running within another week and I'll post final pics and a ride report over on my thread.
I've read a lot about George and comparing my experience with him to what I've read, I believe the guy is trying to produce a quality product and be more customer oriented.
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Kwackerman if I may ask was your pipe a tight fit did the out side oring not fit into the cylinder if yes you have been mps'ed I had to go with a SH pipe and had no fitment problems.
how was the plumbing fixture from a plumbing supply for the air boot to carb...i did mine the way it should be done and am fixing the same thing on a cr500 that MPS did as we speak.
I hope you didn't pay as much as my buddy and I did and if this sounds bad try paying 6 grand for a bike with out a motor and still have to fix all the s**t that mps could not.
Hope you got a better product at a better price then I did if you have any questions please fell free to PM I can help with the air box your welcome to my templates and knowlage as I learnt it all from here.
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Is there anyone else that modifies frames the correct way? I'm thinking about building an AF conversion this summer but have had my fill of dealing with clowns like this guy
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Is there anyone else that modifies frames the correct way? I'm thinking about building an AF conversion this summer but have had my fill of dealing with clowns like this guy
maybe Sandblaster will build ya one :-o....since him and his guys have just built one that puts that other guys work to shame!. 8-)
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I'd love to but we are still in the early building and testing phase.
I don't want to sell a service that we aren't ready for.
However, there are other builders on this site that are set up and ready to go.
We have been doing work with Millar Racing Engines.
You can contact Adam here:
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1815 (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1815)
And Jfab is a approved vender on this site:
http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1689 (http://www.kxriders.com/forums/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=1689)
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I just looked at your build thread sandblaster, that's some nice work. Thanks for the advice fellas
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Is Jfab still around? He was hard to get ahold of last I checked...
Adam is an a plus guy and an approved vendor. We just hadn't made it happen in h++ land yet
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Hey guys, here are a couple of pics of my MPS framed (I did everything else myself, and with the help of a local guy, Steve Bonacker). I've raced my bike twice and so far it's performing great and all the welds are holding up nicely. Overall I'm very happy with my final product. I will confirm that George sent me one of those plumbing couplers for my airboot and I just shook my head. I called him and he sent me an aluminum plate so I could mount my original KX 500 airboot to the 450 airbox, which Steve did for me and it looks and works like factory. I'll keep adding pictures and videos over on my build thread (1990 KX 500 Conversion to 2006 KXF 450 - Kwackerman) on here. Cheers, Howie
(http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab265/howiemel/KX%20500%20AF/KXAF%20Right%20Side_zpsfjdrtjye.jpg)
(http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab265/howiemel/KX%20500%20AF/KXAF%20Left%20Side_zpsmpk1pehr.jpg)
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as long as you're happy!...good to hear.